(March 4, 2019 at 2:05 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: You, (a fake Christian, and angry theist), tell yourself you are a Christian.
no again slow mo, I am a follower of Christ. "WE" do not decide who is and who is not Christian. that is a decision only Christ can make. So anything you say from here on out is invalidated by Christ's own words in mat 7:21 forward.
Quote: In fact you demonstrate with every post you are not.
What I demonstrates is that I am indeed following Christ well enough to know your idea of Christianity is a ghost from the dark ages which has failed you completely which is why you can not believe in God. On the other hand What I believe has yielded God for me and I serve when ever and where ever I can!
Quote:How do I know what a Christian is ? (At least I can spell it correctly.)
Sorry sport already showed you your idea of christianity died when the reformation happened.
Quote: I grew up among all kinds of them, and have many of them as friends.
ah, no.. you know practationers of the christian religion or more specifically you know people who practice a very specific brand of christianity.. So where do you fail? where do you not understand how someone like me who would quickly call you stupid or retard worship or follow the same Christ? Because as Paul puts it in 1 Corinthians 12:12-31 we are different members of the same body, each having uniques abilities and functions. he goes on to explain not to judge one member of the body because it does not look like of function as other members do. that each member serves the body differently.
My function as a foot is to be put up the ass of slow minded people who give other followers of Jesus a hard time by using the very same tactics you use on them, I turn them and use those tactics on what you believe to often times show the very same 'faith' that you would make fun of. Why? to confront the ultimate pride that is keeping you from God. If you can see tis pride and realize somehow the same mechanics are used no matter what you specifically believe, then perhaps you will have a chance at accepting the truth..
Now you might say 'drich isn't that what the nice people in the church do. yes, but you shat on those people and have fallen through their cracks, and my foot is your safty net. meaning you for whatever reason could not connect with the carrot of christianity, now you get to try with the stick..
Quote:Being a non-believer has NOTHING to do with being able to recognize one, (a non-sequitur if ever you posted one).
maybe you do not know what a non sequitur means.. it means the line of logic does not follow. Well you either are not smart enough to follow that line or you know so little of christianity you can not see that line.
Again, if you where verses in christianity meaning if you where a studied member of the religion then the chances would be fairly high that you would have come across the passage in mat 7.. again this passage dispels the idea that "we" adopt the name christian. That my uneducated in basic christian religious beliefs friend is a title we are awarded on the day of or judgement. See most fence sitters and luke warm believers think if I follow a given religion I am in/ I am christian... but the problem there is one it violates what Christ says about him being the light and no man comes to the father but though him meaning his judgement. This also puts those luke warm brothers in a religious situation that makes this specific brand of christianity the only one, violating what Paul said in 1 corth12..
Again if you where a believer you would know this... if not then it would follow you would assume anyone who follows a very secific set of direction and acts a certain way can only be called christian. again that is where you fail.
I mean seriously douche bag if you are like me on the inside but play billy gramm on the outside, do you think Jesus doesn't know who you really are? are you so stupid to not understand it is not our actions that are judged but are intention/heart as well? who despite his actions can escape who he is in his heart? Meaning even if I pretended to be catholic lady, and was loved by everyone, do you think I am fooling God? So again what does it benfit me outside of making friends with the lost?
Nowon the other hand IF I can be me and still follow christ with all that I am, and love you douche bags enough to come back day after day after day with no pay and hour after hour after hour legitmatly go lineby line concern by concern to each and every one of you answering your objections to the best of my ablity... you maybe perhaps some of the smart people will get it is not about the moral facade the luke warm church puts on or pop morality demands.. maybe you will Get God loves you as you are minus the sin which he has completely covered. And maybe you would take a chance on the idea that you don't have to pretend to be something you are not, but you did have to seek out and receive the attonement Christ offers.
Or you can just keep slaming yourself up against the idea of a god who has failed you over and over and over again yet demand other comply to your broken god. Which is the true non sequitur. Why would you think your failed god is the God I worship? is there anything similar between what I have shared and what you have experienced? Then why would you expect that I would act like the christian you think you know?
have you given any thought to this???
!) you do not believe in God because your version of god and christianity has failed you
2) I claim and demonstrate that god is alive and works with me
3) you question my faith because I didn't find the emptiness you found. that I can't be christian because your experience yielded failure.
Do you see the non sequitur there???
I can't be christ like because I did not follow your failed example??? I can't have found God because I do't follow the path you think I should follow.. the one you know leads to nothig..
My grandma what broken logic you have.
Quote:Whatever that incomprehensible bullshit about Peter has to do with the subject AT HAND,
hey-sus christos.. Retard.. you are blasting me saying I can not be christ like... because, why? I call you stupid and retarded.. So my reaction was to explain to you the meaning of peter's name. in essence by calling simon Peter (petros) Christ is calling Peter a douche bag, or the first century version of it.. do you get it now dummy? Jesus the son of God nicked name a unreliable braggart the first century equivalent of a douche, because of all the things he promised to do if God would empower him, and god does, but he fails over and over again. (falling a sleep i prayer, sinking i the water once he was out of the boat, failing to see Christ to the cross, denying three times before the rooster crowed. Christ humiliated peter so as to break him of his pride so he could follow Christ as needed.
Quote:I'm damned if I can make out your gibberish. You have no clue why Jesus was actually killed.
Real simple this time.. Christ died because he humiliated the religious elite/the ruling class over and over and over again. here is a whole chapter of just insults:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ersion=KJV
Woe to you= Jesus has judged and condemned you literally God has damned you. So woe to you pharisees and makers of the law.= God/jesus has damned you for being a hypocrite, then that will be preceded by a line. for example 14 [g]Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
So jesus calls out the highest ranking officials in the temple and says God has damned you for being hypocrites, and then lists out their crimes. for a whole chapter.
Then on top of that Christ fashioned a cord and overturned the temples money changers (another order of temple preist) and ran them out calling them thieves!
Again example after example of Christ calling people names. Christ not giving people the respect they think they deserve. Christ calling people what they are rather than playing to their egos... does it sound familiar yet douche bag?
Then I said this is the primary catalyst that pushed the hierarchy to have him killed. Jesus was hated because he saw through the ficade of 'religious bs/ the same bs you are saying I should be demonstrating as a 'christian' because you luke warm family and friends do it that way.. Well here again sport is where you are wrong. Christ then and now sees through the religious bull shite and judges those men and us according to who we really are. and he openly condemns them before everyone. they before they lost the respect and control of the people want him to stop/die, so they rounded him up had a kangaroo trial convicted him, sent him to the district regient of rome which was also the sitting king of jerusalem (herod) he wanted nothing to do with it, so the sent him to pilate who was the regions governor. Pilate was on his last chance with the government as there were so many different insurrections in his tenure as governor so he could not afford any others. The heriarchy broght jesus to pilate and demanded he be executed as they themselves had no power to do so. Pilate questioned Christ and found him innocent of breaking roman law. the leadership of the temple demanded Christ be executed despite his innocents or they threatened to allow the people to revolt against the government again! So Pilate wased his hands before the crowd and had him scourged and executed.
Quote:Nice fable you cooked up there sport.
glob...
not my story.. actually considered by billions and through generations as the greatest story ever told. yu know they even made movies of it..
Quote:Jerusalem was an OCCUPIED Roman city, and the Romans did not get involved in local religious squabbles.
unless the new guy is starting a religion that undermines the old religion which is what is keeping the peace. not to mention threats of civil war between the old believers and the new. So yeah objection easily over ruled when one actually looks into the history of the region.
Quote:Of course you wouldn't know that, as you have absolutely no background in the subjects at hand, here. "Aire" ? Are you shitting me ? You never did even go to High School did you ?
say the fella who doesn't understand "christian's are not a self awarded title just because you went to church. Yeah real swifty calling someone else out when clearly there is so much you don't know.
Quote:Repeated lie. I never said that. Real Christians don't lie.
it is not a thing that you said dumb ass it is what you did. I did not say you said this or that I am describing what you did.
Quote:Luke 18 : 9-14
To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable:
Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other people--robbers, evildoers, adulterers--or even like this tax collector.
I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get. But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said,
'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.' I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted."
He was talking about self-righteous church-lady assholes like YOU.
So which is it sport? Am I an idiot or am I righteous in what I say and how I cndemn you? can't be both, unless... I give glory to God for the righteousness things I do, and still except the limitations of my coporeal self. meaning the righteousness you see is that of Christ while I myself retain all the flaws.
Which again is why i give God the glory in every thing. I am nothing without God, how ever with God there is nothing you can do to silence me. That is why your arguments fail that is why your traps never work and ultimately why I'm still here. It's not me but what God gives me in the way of authority to speak for the bible and the God represented by it. With out his empowerment I would be lost. with it. I can follow the path of Christ, even to the point of humbling a man when he is proud in his own worldly wisdom.
Quote:there are more manuscripts concerning the bible and people in it than any other subject or book aside from ceasar himself in that time period. Therefore if the bible is in question by that standard then every other person in that time aside from ceasar himself is also in question. So that is a BS objection of biblical history.
Quote:That tired old debunked trope.
Nope. False analogy. The texts about Caesar were not written by believers. He did not start a religion.
That's kinda like history 101.
if it were the you should be able to provide a citation please...
here are just a few citations that counter your claim:
https://carm.org/manuscript-evidence
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexami...-big-deal/
https://www.josh.org/8-manuscripts-valid...testament/
Sorry for pulling the rug out from your basless sweeping dismissal but we don't do that here sport, not without back and a lot of it. you word means squat and just because you happen to not like something or you feel others have got you covered and you can dismiss without thinking, I say ney ney.. your going to need to put your google to work if you want to pretend the bible does not superceed all other writting of the time by a factor of 10,000.
like it or not there is more history found written in the all the different manuscripts bible than anywhere else.
Quote:LOL. "Christ points towards literalism" .... LMAO. What scholar's ass did you pull THAT one out of ?
Oh wait. Your own.
allow me to be your guide, it is written:
19 Now it came to pass, when Jesus had finished these sayings, that He departed from Galilee and came to the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. 2 And great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them there.
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?”
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who [a]made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
7 They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?”
8 He said to them, “Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for [b]sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery.”
10 His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
Not only that John 1:1 describes Jesus as "the word (yhwh) of genesis 2 and if you will remember in Gen 2 is the creation of the garden and everythig in it including adam and eve. So in essence John is giving Jesus the title of the God/Yehweh of gen 2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [a]comprehend it.
John’s Witness: The True Light
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[b] was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His [c]own, and His [d]own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The Word Becomes Flesh
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [f]is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 [g]And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten [h]Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
