(November 8, 2018 at 4:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(November 8, 2018 at 4:30 pm)wyzas Wrote: I'd have no problem with the US implementing the same/similar laws as NZ. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

Edit: Implementation here would be a bitch.

As much of a bitch as burying schoolchildren every few months?

Boru

Unfortunately more than. I know it's totally unreasonable and irrational but I'm not sure you're taking into account the extremes some in the US will take to keep their guns. Imagine several Ruby Ridge and Waco like scenario's. And the creation of Tim McVeigh's.

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(November 8, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Joods Wrote: Now that the PD of this thread has been successfully derailed, can we PLEASE get it back on the topic of the shooting victims?

I'm all for talking about guns in a thread designed for that purpose. That is not the purpose of this thread.

What would you like me to say about the victims? It's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

And for every other gun victim today or any other day that's not in a mass shooting, it's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

Do we just keep repeating this?

(November 8, 2018 at 6:25 pm)wyzas Wrote:

(November 8, 2018 at 4:51 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: As much of a bitch as burying schoolchildren every few months?

Boru

Unfortunately more than. I know it's totally unreasonable and irrational but I'm not sure you're taking into account the extremes some in the US will take to keep their guns. Imagine several Ruby Ridge and Waco like scenario's. And the creation of Tim McVeigh's.

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(November 8, 2018 at 6:13 pm)Joods Wrote: Now that the PD of this thread has been successfully derailed, can we PLEASE get it back on the topic of the shooting victims?

I'm all for talking about guns in a thread designed for that purpose. That is not the purpose of this thread.

What would you like me to say about the victims? It's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

And for every other gun victim today or any other day that's not in a mass shooting, it's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

Do we just keep repeating this?

Updates on anything since it was a developing story, maybe? One thing I do know is that from this morning, they were saying that the shooter had military training. At that time they weren't indicating any sort of mental health issue. I know everyone wants to use that as their go to when talking about the shooter, but I think this is one case where a mental health issue doesn't apply, unless there's been an update and something has changed?

Most illegal firearms in America come from just a handful of sources, but the NRA lobbies to keep TAF from investigating. Eliminating those restrictions is step one.

I sincerely dont know what to do about guns in the US.

(November 8, 2018 at 6:52 pm)Joods Wrote:

(November 8, 2018 at 6:25 pm)wyzas Wrote: Unfortunately more than. I know it's totally unreasonable and irrational but I'm not sure you're taking into account the extremes some in the US will take to keep their guns. Imagine several Ruby Ridge and Waco like scenario's. And the creation of Tim McVeigh's.

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What would you like me to say about the victims? It's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

And for every other gun victim today or any other day that's not in a mass shooting, it's a damn shame and should never have happened. We need find a way to stop it.

Do we just keep repeating this?

Updates on anything since it was a developing story, maybe? One thing I do know is that from this morning, they were saying that the shooter had military training. At that time they weren't indicating any sort of mental health issue. I know everyone wants to use that as their go to when talking about the shooter, but I think this is one case where a mental health issue doesn't apply, unless there's been an update and something has changed?

Yep, it's changed. Mental health issues and police call. 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/article221361595.html

Disturbed is disturbed, no matter the motive. Mentally ill, workplace grudge, school, racial, religious or political motives, all of them have the same thing in common, easy access to firearms.

(November 9, 2018 at 6:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: Disturbed is disturbed, no matter the motive. Mentally fill, workplace grudge, school, racial, religious or political motives, all of them have the same thing in common, easy access to firearms.

Kalifornia - home of the strictest gun laws in the nation - according to the Brady bunch......

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And yet.....

How strictly are they enforced ?

(November 9, 2018 at 6:51 am)Tizheruk Wrote: How strictly are they enforced ?

Ask the Brady idiots.

They' re the ones that think gun control laws control guns.



Blithering morons, that lot.

(November 9, 2018 at 6:51 am)Tizheruk Wrote: How strictly are they enforced ?

We don't have any national standards and we have a flooded market on top of that. It is like trying to hold water with a spaghetti strainer. 

But who cares, objects are living things, humans are merely collateral damage.

(November 9, 2018 at 6:58 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 9, 2018 at 6:51 am)Tizheruk Wrote: How strictly are they enforced ?

We don't have any national standards and we have a flooded market on top of that. It is like trying to hold water with a spaghetti strainer. 

But who cares, objects are living things, humans are merely collateral damage.

Because people like you want all the guns to go away --- so you pass stupid laws that have little to no effect. Like the 68 gun law that required handgun ammunition to be signed for with ID.

It was finally shitcanned, because according to FBI statistics - not one crime in 40 years had been solved because of it. The paperwork wasn't worth a shit.