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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:27 am
(April 9, 2019 at 8:25 am)Acrobat Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 8:21 am)Sal Wrote: 1+1 = 2 is internally true. We know what the numbers mean and what they correlate to. Is 1+1 = 2 Objectively true? Hard for me to say, because all of mathematics is a priori and abstract, as I understand it. And to say something to be objectively true, then it has to be true without subjective "interference".
I think most people agree that there exists an external world to ourselves, otherwise we'll simply regress to solipsism, which I find to be useless because it has no real explanatory power.
Are axioms objectively true? If so, which ones?
I have an apple, someone gives me another apple, which leaves me with two apples in total (1+1=2). To me this as objectively true as it gets. If you think otherwise, I would like to hear what you think is objectively true if this isn't? And what makes the two apples in my hand, any less objectively true than your example.
You’re conflating abstract mathematical systems with applied mathematics again.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:33 am
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:42 am
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:48 am
Nothing to to with gods, whatsoever, Acro..lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:49 am
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(April 9, 2019 at 8:27 am)robvalue Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 8:25 am)Acrobat Wrote: I have an apple, someone gives me another apple, which leaves me with two apples in total (1+1=2). To me this as objectively true as it gets. If you think otherwise, I would like to hear what you think is objectively true if this isn't? And what makes the two apples in my hand, any less objectively true than your example.
You’re conflating abstract mathematical systems with applied mathematics again.
I'm not doing that, you are. I'm just speaking of 1+1 =2 is very practical way, such as when it comes to apples, you're the one trying to make it about abstract vs applied mathematics.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:49 am
Also nothing to do with gods.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:51 am
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(April 9, 2019 at 8:48 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Nothing to to with gods, whatsoever, Acro..lol.
Exactly, nothing do whatsoever with what you and other atheists commonly have in mind when it comes to the word "god", as some sort of genie in the sky that grants wishes.
Let's keep it that way, and stick to what's being discussed.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:55 am
Nothing to do with gods at all, Acro. It's not an issue of what atheists do or don't commonly think of as gods.
None of these things have anything to do with gods, you're wasting your time, and everyone else's... with the endless gish gallup.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 9, 2019 at 8:59 am
(April 9, 2019 at 8:55 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Nothing to do with gods at all, Acro. It's not an issue of what atheists do or don't commonly think of as gods.
None of these things have anything to do with gods, you're wasting your time, and everyone else's... with the endless gish gallup.
Whatever you say Gae, I like talking about these topics and subjects, regardless of whether you understand what any of it has to do with my theistic beliefs. If you’re not personally interested in these subjects, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to participate, yet here you are.
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