(April 17, 2019 at 9:29 am)popeyespappy Wrote:

(April 17, 2019 at 8:11 am)Amarok Wrote: And even if they hadn't it would have been the same 

Would it? I've already said It wouldn't have stopped the Holocaust, but that doesn't mean it would have been the same. Things might have been different if Germany had started slaughtering Jews in the streets in 1933. More might have been motivated to try to get out early. The US might not have turned away ship loads of Jewish refugees and sent them back to Europe to die. More could have lived. Less could have died. We don't know if it would have been the same or not.

Quote:Small compared to the millions slaughtered 

Small yes, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good thing for the thousands that did live due to the actions of armed partizans.

Quote:And then proceeded to massacre populations themselves

I never claimed the Russians were saints. Only that they stopped the Germans. Even then not without a good deal of help.

It seems a pretty safe bet it would have been the same and the partisan impact was minimal this sounds like grasping .

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 1.  30 would allow more time for background checks.  It would reduce the number of purchasers who 'fall through the cracks' by allowing for more thorough investigations.  It would be enforced by whichever agencies enforce the current 2-7 day wait.  Yes, businesses could delay sales for 30 days.

Okay, so why 30 days? Why not 90? What exactly makes you think purchasers "fall through the cracks?" So you're now asking that the ATF, FBI etc change their policies; certainly this is not an easy task. And in asking businesses to delay their sales by a month you're affecting their bottom line. Now you can say you don't care about their bottom lines, but you would if you were the owner of a gun shop.

Not to mention, this 30 day waiting period will likely do little to nothing. People who shoot up schools and commit crazy crimes like this are often individuals with no criminal record or officially documented history of mental illness. Sometimes they are, but even then, you can't stop someone from getting a gun if they really want one. Guns aren't that hard to find on the street and are often cheaper than going through a legal dealer.

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 2.  No, one disgruntled interviewee would not stop you from getting a gun, as a negative report would be further investigated.  The interviews would be conducted by local police.

How do you know that? Also, where is this funding going to come from for police to be going around every day of the week conducting interviews?

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 3.  Licensing could be managed by any agency which already manages government-issued licenses (hunting, fishing, driving).  It would allow law enforcement to more easily identify suspects in a gun crime.

Which agency? The people who handle driving licenses are not the same people who handle fishing and game licenses.

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 4.  The safety classes would be offered either by local law enforcement or by accredited private providers.  It would be paid for by the license holders.

Once again, where does the funding come from? And who are these "accredited private providers?"

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 5.  Into general revenue.  If you prefer, it could be tagged specifically to help meet the operating costs of the issuing agencies.

General revenue for who?

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 6.  Fair point, I should have been clearer.  Infractions would need to be gun-related in order to affect your licensing privileges - having an unsecured firearm, transporting a loaded firearm, failure to meet ongoing safety requirements, shooting the bloke who cut you off in traffic, that sort of thing.

You CAN lose your right to own a firearm for several different offenses. This is already a thing. I have a friend who lost his CCW permit for illegally transporting a firearm.

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: 7.  Of course you can sell a gun to your brother or you father.  You could even sell one to your old granny.  It would just take a little longer.

Okay. But why? Why should the government have any business in me wanting to sell a gun to my father?

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: With a few exceptions, the above are largely the state of gun control measures where I live. A few (such as recertification every two years) are  things I think would be an improvement.  I also left out a few which I think are needlessly intrusive.

And I agree that certain measures should be taken, I'm just not so sure the things you've mentioned really make a whole lot of sense when you actually think them through.

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: So yes, it has been thought through.  And it works.

You say this, and yet I'm not convinced you have thought it through. I'm also not convinced that it works. I think our culture is very different here in the US, unfortunately.

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Based on population, New Zealand has a quarter as many privately owned firearms as the US, and a twelfth as many firearm-related deaths (barring the recent massacre).

The recent massacre certainly counts, does it not? And what is your point?

(April 17, 2019 at 6:45 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Boru

edit:  I found this, referencing your reply to point 7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRI3ujxOa6Y

Boru

I have great doubts about that video depicting any real life situation. Looks heavily edited and I suspect it was a contrived situation used to prove a point. Can you find if anyone was charged in that situation for selling a gun to a 13 year old? Certainly someone must have been arrested if this crime was so easily caught on camera?

Also, even if it IS true. It's almost as if criminals don't care about gun laws and choose to do illegal shit anyway. Imagine that.

Therefore we should do nothing about the blued plague?

Who said that?

We've already got waiting periods and accredited safety course requirements, as well as private sale restrictions, they're just not uniform, or uniformly enforced.

(April 29, 2019 at 3:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: We've already got waiting periods and accredited safety course requirements, as well as private sale restrictions, they're just not uniform, or uniformly enforced.

I was unaware of that.  I've been under the impression that you could walk into a WalMart, put down your money and walk out with a shotgun.  No?

Boru

(April 29, 2019 at 3:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 29, 2019 at 3:57 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: We've already got waiting periods and accredited safety course requirements, as well as private sale restrictions, they're just not uniform, or uniformly enforced.

I was unaware of that.  I've been under the impression that you could walk into a WalMart, put down your money and walk out with a shotgun.  No?

Boru

Depends on the state. Also depends on whether or not you have a criminal record... and even if you don't have a criminal record sometimes you are given a waiting period. I get delayed every time I buy a firearm, even though I have friends who have walked in and instantly bought one.

(April 29, 2019 at 4:03 pm)EgoDeath Wrote:

(April 29, 2019 at 3:59 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I was unaware of that.  I've been under the impression that you could walk into a WalMart, put down your money and walk out with a shotgun.  No?

Boru

Depends on the state. Also depends on whether or not you have a criminal record... and even if you don't have a criminal record sometimes you are given a waiting period. I get delayed every time I buy a firearm, even though I have friends who have walked in and instantly bought one.

And you don't see that as a problem?

Boru

(April 29, 2019 at 3:50 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Who said that?

The ardent gun culture folks, like online slinker.

(April 29, 2019 at 4:05 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(April 29, 2019 at 4:03 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Depends on the state. Also depends on whether or not you have a criminal record... and even if you don't have a criminal record sometimes you are given a waiting period. I get delayed every time I buy a firearm, even though I have friends who have walked in and instantly bought one.

And you don't see that as a problem?

Boru

You CANNOT just walk into Walmart - or any other FFL dealer - simply pay cash and walk out with a gun IN ANY STATE.

You MUST fill out a 4473 and pass a NICS check. In some states a concealed pistol permit, which has a more extensive background check than NICS, substitutes as the NICS check.

If your NICS check commes back negative - you aint getting a gun.

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If your NICS check bounces every time - blame computers.

You probably have a fairly common name - and someone with the same name is a criminal.

You can apply for a special ID number through NICS - which you use with future purchases - and the NICS won' t bounce on you anymore.

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(April 29, 2019 at 4:24 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(April 29, 2019 at 3:50 pm)EgoDeath Wrote: Who said that?

The ardent gun culture folks, like online slinker.

Don' t ever think you' re qualified to speak for me you inbred drunken fuck.

Stick to what you know - self-agrandizing bullshit stories......