(July 11, 2019 at 8:50 pm)Divinity Wrote: Ahh yes, Gavin McInnes totally not racist. The guy who said: "Well, at least they're not fucking niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they're white." Yep. Totally not racist there. Not at all.

Give me a fucking break. Stop normalizing this shit, or at least realize you're one of them.

Or at least a useful idiot. Just like Andy Ngo seems to be.

Quote:Ya see, your schmuckness - That's how we know you are talking out your ass.

Ah yes weak insults .....Boring 

Quote:The Iron Cross pre- dates the NAZI regime - and was NEVER considered associated with the Nazis.

I'm well aware it's was  pre Nazi (see my pervious comment ) Wasn't associated with the Nazi's if you discount the fact they frequently used it  and modern Neo Nazi's still use it .

Quote:In fact -- THE IRON CROSS IS STILL USED BY THE GERMAN MILITARY!

The fact the modern German military still uses it doesn't negate the fact it was used by the Nazi's and is still used by Neo Nazi's so this point is moot 

Quote:It's a GERMANIC symbol. Just as the US flag is a.symbol for the United States.

Yup a German symbol used by German Nazi's and modern German Neo Nazi's . But nope it's not just like the US flag sorry .

Quote:So yes. They ARE equivalent.

Nope

Quote:Except in your odd little world.

That worlds called reality I can see why you think it odd as you don't live there

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Quote:Holy shit! Is that the Illinois Nazis?



They getting ARMED!

Nah they have been armed 



Now they are just pathetic

To be totally honest, the Iron Cross symbol is ambiguous, at least in and of itself. I can remember, I think it was last year, seeing a rat rod with an Iron Cross on it. Apparently, according to a forum post I found on the subject (feel free to take this rationale with a grain of salt; coming up with a proper history the origins of folk traditions like rat rodding on such short notice isn't easy):

Quote:My degrees are in history, and i specifically study WWII...

the swastikas and iron crosses are in hot rods/biking because of the first Biker Clubs were composed of ex WWII aviator pilots/bombers.. they bought surplus military bikes (triumph, norton, harley, etc) and needed to have exitement since the war was over.

they put swastikas and iron crosses on their bikes just like a pilot puts them on their plane. it's a show of respect [Ed: In a "Worthy Opponent" and not a 14/88 sort of way, it seems], and to be an outlaw at same time.

the romans would parade their defeated enemies insignias/weapons/captors through the streets of rome to show how great of an enemy they defeated.

by showing swastikas and iron crosses, it's like showing the same thing, a great enemy that you defeated and respect....

I should point out, however, that as far as I can tell, Milo isn't a rat rodder, most rat rodders don't pal around with famous white supremacists, and they also don't give themselves monikers like 1290longknives.

Tl;DR: A symbol like the Iron Cross is not quite a smoking gun (other groups that aren't hate groups still use it, even if they are shrinking), but in conjunction with all the other shit, it's clear that he does, in fact, count as a Nazi. Many alt-righters might count as mere useful idiots (Sargon of Akkad comes to mind) and not full Nazis, but Milo ain't one of them.

(July 11, 2019 at 9:48 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be totally honest, the Iron Cross symbol is ambiguous, at least in and of itself. I can remember, I think it was last year, seeing a rat rod with an Iron Cross on it. Apparently, according to a forum post I found on the subject (feel free to take this rationale with a grain of salt):

Quote:My degrees are in history, and i specifically study WWII...

the swastikas and iron crosses are in hot rods/biking because of the first Biker Clubs were composed of ex WWII aviator pilots/bombers.. they bought surplus military bikes (triumph, norton, harley, etc) and needed to have exitement since the war was over.

they put swastikas and iron crosses on their bikes just like a pilot puts them on their plane. it's a show of respect, and to be an outlaw at same time.

the romans would parade their defeated enemies insignias/weapons/captors through the streets of rome to show how great of an enemy they defeated.

by showing swastikas and iron crosses, it's like showing the same thing, a great enemy that you defeated and respect....

I should point out, however, that as far as I can tell, Milo isn't a rat rodder,  most rat rodders don't pal around with famous white supremacists, and they also don't give themselves monikers like 1290longknives

Nor does he have any links to the German military and Once again he was hanging out with Nazi's

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(July 11, 2019 at 9:48 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be totally honest, the Iron Cross symbol is ambiguous, at least in and of itself. I can remember, I think it was last year, seeing a rat rod with an Iron Cross on it. Apparently, according to a forum post I found on the subject (feel free to take this rationale with a grain of salt):

Quote:My degrees are in history, and i specifically study WWII...

the swastikas and iron crosses are in hot rods/biking because of the first Biker Clubs were composed of ex WWII aviator pilots/bombers.. they bought surplus military bikes (triumph, norton, harley, etc) and needed to have exitement since the war was over.

they put swastikas and iron crosses on their bikes just like a pilot puts them on their plane. it's a show of respect [Ed: In a "Worthy Opponent" and not a 14/88 sort of way, it seems], and to be an outlaw at same time.

the romans would parade their defeated enemies insignias/weapons/captors through the streets of rome to show how great of an enemy they defeated.

by showing swastikas and iron crosses, it's like showing the same thing, a great enemy that you defeated and respect....

I should point out, however, that as far as I can tell, Milo isn't a rat rodder,  most rat rodders don't pal around with famous white supremacists, and they also don't give themselves monikers like 1290longknives

Nor do I imagine Milo fought ant Nazi's (he goes bars with them )

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(July 11, 2019 at 9:48 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: To be totally honest, the Iron Cross symbol is ambiguous, at least in and of itself. I can remember, I think it was last year, seeing a rat rod with an Iron Cross on it. Apparently, according to a forum post I found on the subject (feel free to take this rationale with a grain of salt; coming up with a proper history the origins of folk traditions like rat rodding on such short notice isn't easy):

Quote:My degrees are in history, and i specifically study WWII...

the swastikas and iron crosses are in hot rods/biking because of the first Biker Clubs were composed of ex WWII aviator pilots/bombers.. they bought surplus military bikes (triumph, norton, harley, etc) and needed to have exitement since the war was over.

they put swastikas and iron crosses on their bikes just like a pilot puts them on their plane. it's a show of respect [Ed: In a "Worthy Opponent" and not a 14/88 sort of way, it seems], and to be an outlaw at same time.

the romans would parade their defeated enemies insignias/weapons/captors through the streets of rome to show how great of an enemy they defeated.

by showing swastikas and iron crosses, it's like showing the same thing, a great enemy that you defeated and respect....

I should point out, however, that as far as I can tell, Milo isn't a rat rodder,  most rat rodders don't pal around with famous white supremacists, and they also don't give themselves monikers like 1290longknives.

Tl;DR: A symbol like the Iron Cross is not quite a smoking gun (other groups that aren't hate groups still use it, even if they are shrinking), but in conjunction with all the other shit, it's clear that he does, in fact, count as a Nazi. Many alt-righters might count as mere useful idiots (Sargon of Akkad comes to mind) and not full Nazis, but Milo ain't one of them.

True on it's own it's not but it sure  doesn't help,

(July 11, 2019 at 9:51 pm)Amarok Wrote: True on it's own it's not but it sure  doesn't help,

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

(July 11, 2019 at 10:19 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote:

(July 11, 2019 at 9:51 pm)Amarok Wrote: True on it's own it's not but it sure  doesn't help,

Exactly the point I was trying to make.

And you made it well 

(July 11, 2019 at 8:50 pm)Divinity Wrote: Ahh yes, Gavin McInnes totally not racist.  The guy who said: "Well, at least they're not fucking niggers or Puerto Ricans. At least they're white."  Yep.  Totally not racist there.  Not at all.

Give me a fucking break.  Stop normalizing this shit, or at least realize you're one of them.

Go and actually watch some Gavin McInnes. I know you haven't.
Actually find out for yourself instead of being drip fed a load of bull shit from the far left.

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I mean, what is Gavin McInnes's agenda?
Why marry a Native American woman and proclaim to all that would listen that he's not a racist?
And then have hundreds and hundreds of podcasts where he never says anything racist and often does exactly the opposite.
What would be the point?
Why would Milo be with a black boyfriend if he was racist.
Why would he laugh and sing with neo Nazi's in full public and then later say that he has myopia and didn't see the NN's.
Sounds convenient, but why do it in the first place?
I don't need an example of when the same thing has happened before.
I need to know whether you people actually think through and actually believe what your saying or do you just regurgitate?

You can piss off..

A country isn't going to change it's identification simply because you have a hair up your ass.

And the KKK also flew the Canadian flag.

So you should get a new one.

Try a blank white one. It would be appropriate.

" Great White North" indeed..

Maybe you should FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF instead of being fed shit from the right? Oh no, you think you're above that. The truth is, you aren't. Milo is a gay man who hates gay people. It happens. If you think it doesn't, then I've got some ocean front property in Kansas for you to buy real cheap.

Gee, a racist saying they're not racist? Color me surprised!

1. You can marry or date a colored person and still a racist . Stop using the black friends/relative/girl/boyfriend argument . And why would Gavin or Milo say this I don't know maybe so they can use their spouse as a shield so they can say racist shit 

2. I have watched him and he does say racist shit often . Not all the time (he has lot's of other offense shit to say )

3. Are the FBI the far left ? Why did Gavin distance himself from the group ?

4. If you believe Milo's excuse too avoid the charge he's a Nazi . Then I can't help you .

5. You clearly have not thought this through LL and are just blindly buying their defenses

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(July 12, 2019 at 9:24 am)Divinity Wrote: Maybe you should FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF instead of being fed shit from the right?  Oh no, you think you're above that.  The truth is, you aren't.  Milo is a gay man who hates gay people.  It happens.  If you think it doesn't, then I've got some ocean front property in Kansas for you to buy real cheap.  

Gee, a racist saying they're not racist?  Color me surprised!

Yeah racists would never use colored associations as an excuse to spew racist shit .And no racist has ever been with colored person lol. I guess by LL Richard Spencer isn't a racist because he dated an Asian girl and Derek Black isn't a racist because he dated an Asian women . Shock Racism can be selective and filled with blind spots.

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(July 12, 2019 at 8:31 am)onlinebiker Wrote: You can piss off..

A country isn't going to change it's identification simply because you have a hair up your ass.

And the KKK also flew the Canadian flag.

So you should get a new one.

Try a blank white one. It would be appropriate.

" Great White North" indeed..

Too bad I never said they should change their flag and you keep repeating the same refuted point and of course lash out and attack Canada ......Yawn got any new tricks ?