If you're surprised that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself, just imagine how surprised HE must have been (yeah, starting to lean the other way on this).

Boru

Nawwwsw..


That's just a conspiracy theory...


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Vince Foster

(August 11, 2019 at 6:34 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Nawwwsw..


That's just a conspiracy theory...


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Vince Foster

(August 10, 2019 at 2:54 pm)Athene Wrote: Personally, I find it a little odd that he was taken off of suicide watch. Still not clear as to when or why that happened.
At the very least, it lends credence to the possibility that he was allowed to commit suicide.

Idiocy, lack of resources, a person in authority who doesn't understand nor doesn't care about mental issues, lack of trained staff (not the same as idiocy), and so on. There are many valid answers where the authorities would be culpable for the death of Epstein without them actually meaning to kill him.

Given the reports that Epstein had ligature marks from a previous attempt, my guess is somebody didn't do their search right putting him back into his cell and he smuggled in something he could hang himself with. And given he was put off suicide watch there was nobody watching him just in case (and even if he were on suicide watch, that's no guarantee, there's plenty of examples of suicide watches being so incompetently run in prisons and secure mental facilities worldwide that suicidal people commit suicide).

PS the best evidence that we have currently for whether the suicide was genuine or faked is that Dumbfuck is gleefully pushing the conspiracy theories that Epstein was bumped off. Given that he's the one man with most to lose from the evidence against Epstein and (a now no longer) possible cracking of Epstein, that screams to me that the suicide was genuine, if possibly deliberately assisted.

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(August 11, 2019 at 6:34 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Nawwwsw..


That's just a conspiracy theory...


Signed


Vince Foster

You're an idiot.

But then again we've known this for a long time.

(August 11, 2019 at 9:08 am)Nomad Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 2:54 pm)Athene Wrote: Personally, I find it a little odd that he was taken off of suicide watch. Still not clear as to when or why that happened.
At the very least, it lends credence to the possibility that he was allowed to commit suicide.

Idiocy, lack of resources, a person in authority who doesn't understand nor doesn't care about mental issues, lack of trained staff (not the same as idiocy), and so on.  There are many valid answers where the authorities would be culpable for the death of Epstein without them actually meaning to kill him.

Given the reports that Epstein had ligature marks from a previous attempt, my guess is somebody didn't do their search right putting him back into his cell and he smuggled in something he could hang himself with.  And given he was put off suicide watch there was nobody watching him just in case (and even if he were on suicide watch, that's no guarantee, there's plenty of examples of suicide watches being so incompetently run in prisons and secure mental facilities worldwide that suicidal people commit suicide).

I understand that there are a range of possibilities that could have resulted in Epstein's death, and that not all of them involve pre-meditated, criminal action.
Given the extremely destructive nature of the alleged evidence he was sitting on as an informant, it's my opinion that the possibility of involvement on behalf of some of the powerful, well-connected people that he implicated should also be investigated as a matter of due diligence though. 

Personally, I find it difficult to believe that the decision to remove such a remarkably high-profile individual awaiting trial on such a remarkably high-profile case from suicide watch is one that would've been the result of mere oversight, carelessness, or bungling. Seems like a pretty colossal error; One that would've ultimately had to have received approval from one or more high-ranking prison officials.

The motives behind that decision--specifically of those who called the shots, need to be questioned and scrutinized with the utmost intensity.

Yet Sandra bland gets wrongfully arrested for a a traffic stop, dies in prison. Eric Garner get's choked to death while unarmed.

I wish the fucker had made it to trial. I wish his victims could have faced him in court. But while we are treating his death like sports casters announcing the play by play of the Superbowl, I wish we should not be so distracted by all this speculation when it is most likely he killed himself with no help.

Any rich white man, in his circle, regardless of their politics, still has a ton to worry about.

(August 11, 2019 at 10:39 am)Brian37 Wrote: Yet Sandra bland gets wrongfully arrested for a a traffic stop, dies in prison. Eric Garner get's choked to death while unarmed.

I wish the fucker had made it to trial. I wish his victims could have faced him in court. But while we are treating his death like sports casters announcing the play by play of the Superbowl, I wish we should not be so distracted by all this speculation when it is most likely he killed himself with no help.

Any rich white man, in his circle, regardless of their politics, still has a ton to worry about.

Boru - there it is - the NFL tie in!

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(August 10, 2019 at 1:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 10, 2019 at 1:05 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: You can't help yourself, can you?

Tell us how this coincides with the NFL or the NRA.

Jesus, give the guy a minute.  The connection between this and Reagan's destruction of collective bargaining will soon become apparent.

Boru

Called it.

(August 11, 2019 at 10:45 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 11, 2019 at 10:39 am)Brian37 Wrote: Yet Sandra bland gets wrongfully arrested for a a traffic stop, dies in prison. Eric Garner get's choked to death while unarmed.

I wish the fucker had made it to trial. I wish his victims could have faced him in court. But while we are treating his death like sports casters announcing the play by play of the Superbowl, I wish we should not be so distracted by all this speculation when it is most likely he killed himself with no help.

Any rich white man, in his circle, regardless of their politics, still has a ton to worry about.

Boru - there it is - the NFL tie in!

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(August 10, 2019 at 1:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Jesus, give the guy a minute.  The connection between this and Reagan's destruction of collective bargaining will soon become apparent.

Boru

Called it.

HA HA HA HA HA..... good one.

You got me, the NFL is a child trafficking ring.

Which was not my point.

My point is that the mundane isn't as sexy as a conspiracy, but is far more likely. 

Humans buy all sorts of bullshit based on speculation. Crop circles, Big Foot, psychics, Illuminate, Area 51 space aliens.

I have no doubt that other rich white men were at his parties bringing him girls or abusing them along with him. You don't get away with doing that without money or protection from others helping you commit those crimes. 

I am merely saying, out of all the possibilities as to why he killed himself, the most likely is that he simply didn't like losing his freedom and was afraid of getting raped himself. 

Trump supporters are claiming Bill Clinton had him murdered. Liberals are claiming Trump had him murdered. I say AT BEST someone at the prison thought "What a sick fuck,  let him kill himself, save the tax payer's money", without being given an order from a political source.

(August 11, 2019 at 11:06 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(August 11, 2019 at 10:45 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Boru - there it is - the NFL tie in!

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Called it.

HA HA HA HA HA..... good one.

You got me, the NFL is a child trafficking ring.

Which was not my point.

My point is that the mundane isn't as sexy as a conspiracy, but is far more likely. 

Humans buy all sorts of bullshit based on speculation. Crop circles, Big Foot, psychics, Illuminate, Area 51 space aliens.

I have no doubt that other rich white men were at his parties bringing him girls or abusing them along with him. You don't get away with doing that without money or protection from others helping you commit those crimes. 

I am merely saying, out of all the possibilities as to why he killed himself, the most likely is that he simply didn't like losing his freedom and was afraid of getting raped himself. 

Trump supporters are claiming Bill Clinton had him murdered. Liberals are claiming Trump had him murdered. I say AT BEST someone at the prison thought "What a sick fuck,  let him kill himself, save the tax payer's money", without being given an order from a political source.

Brian, my point is that you are so damned predictable.

You cannot help yourself.  You have to make comparisons to things where there are none.

As for Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner - their deaths were wrong and should have been investigated fairly and fully.  The fact that did not happen doesn't mean that Epstein's death should not be investigated fairly and fully.  It's a fact that high profile people have high profile reporting when something involves them.  That has always been so.  It may lead to things being handled unfairly but the simple fact is that more people are aware of who Epstein was than were aware of Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner at the time of their deaths.

If your trailer burned down it wouldn't make national news.  But if the White House burned down it would be played on the media all over the world.

(August 11, 2019 at 11:20 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 11, 2019 at 11:06 am)Brian37 Wrote: HA HA HA HA HA..... good one.

You got me, the NFL is a child trafficking ring.

Which was not my point.

My point is that the mundane isn't as sexy as a conspiracy, but is far more likely. 

Humans buy all sorts of bullshit based on speculation. Crop circles, Big Foot, psychics, Illuminate, Area 51 space aliens.

I have no doubt that other rich white men were at his parties bringing him girls or abusing them along with him. You don't get away with doing that without money or protection from others helping you commit those crimes. 

I am merely saying, out of all the possibilities as to why he killed himself, the most likely is that he simply didn't like losing his freedom and was afraid of getting raped himself. 

Trump supporters are claiming Bill Clinton had him murdered. Liberals are claiming Trump had him murdered. I say AT BEST someone at the prison thought "What a sick fuck,  let him kill himself, save the tax payer's money", without being given an order from a political source.

Brian, my point is that you are so damned predictable.

You cannot help yourself.  You have to make comparisons to things where there are none.

As for Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner - their deaths were wrong and should have been investigated fairly and fully.  The fact that did not happen doesn't mean that Epstein's death should not be investigated fairly and fully.  It's a fact that high profile people have high profile reporting when something involves them.  That has always been so.  It may lead to things being handled unfairly but the simple fact is that more people are aware of who Epstein was than were aware of Ms. Bland and Mr. Garner at the time of their deaths.

If your trailer burned down it wouldn't make national news.  But if the White House burned down it would be played on the media all over the world.

I agree Sandra Bland and Eric garner did not get justice.

Meanwhile, you are still stupidly looking at my finger while I am pointing at the moon.

While you are stupidly and needlessly fighting me, and falsely putting thoughts in my head that are not there, rich white men who helped him love this distraction. 

BINGO, if my house burned down, IT WOULD NOT make news. The point with Bland and Garner, is that even when it does make news, nothing gets done. But when a rich white guy gets gets in trouble, All the sudden there is grey area. White people far too much still say, "If they hadn't resisted". But yet we have white mass shooters who make it to jail. 

OF COURSE Epstein's death should be investigated. I FUCKING AGREE, I simply don't think there was a outside force that caused it.

Unlike Sandra Bland or Eric Garner. Not in a conspiracy context, but their deaths were cased by the long term climate of ignoring that minorities are still hurt worse on average by our justice system. Epstein's death was by his own hand. 

Should it have been prevented? YES, but was it a conspiracy? NO!