It just might be the case that a "human life" is preferable to whatever the fuck you're up to now.

You don't live a human life. You're meaningfully inhuman? Pull the other one, it has bells on it.

(May 28, 2020 at 8:04 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(May 28, 2020 at 7:02 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: Why do you think you find it "amusing"?

I have a strong appreciation for irony.  It's just how I was made, I suppose.

Quote:If God is a Father then obviously those believing in Him to be their Father should have experience of it.  Specially in the Love Relationship of a Father and Child.  This boils down to a conversation between them that is experienced in the Spirit/Feeling/Emotion of Love.

You should tell all the other fatherless boys that all they have to do is really believe that they have a father, and poof.....a wild fairy dad experience will appear.   Personally, I'm all set on dads.  All set on lovers too.  That's probably why this sort of evangelistic pitch doesn't appeal to me.  I already have what you're selling, and I'm satisfied with the product.  

Quote:Not true.  But rather telling yourself that you have a Relationship with God but not actively Experiencing it is what will land a person in the loony bin.  It is like trying to tell yourself that 1 + 1 = 5.  Our brain can not cope with that and will derail.  Or to bring it much nearer to our context.  It is like trying to tell yourself that pink elephants that will help you with your life do exists.

What's not true, exactly?  People who rave about seeing gods aren't generally considered to be of sound mind, least of all by other alleged god believers.  Telling people you have a relationship with god is a common christian cliche.  Conversational shorthand for identity.

Quote:Yep.  Those are the religious guys.  Believing in a religion and trying to pass it off as real.  And the honest ones trying to find reality, a Real God, in it and not finding it there will surely create the possibility for this.  Because religion is just a mind game.  Nothing Real there.

Or they will just ran away.  You might find many of them in this forum too.  Because that is the only option left.  To fight against the "lies".

I'd be hesitant to compare belief in religions to belief in intervening gods.  There's nothing particularly wrong with religion, the same might not be the case with regards to the other.  If you insist that a gods intervention has done whatever to you, that lead to what we see today - then I'm going to point you in the direction of piles and piles of religious humanists without these cognitive ticks.

Honestly, I think that the user of a christian cliche's relative lack of faith in their gods (compared to some nut) probably correlates nicely to their level of sanity.

Quote:I have a strong appreciation for irony.  It's just how I was made, I suppose.

What about the feeling of "compassion"?  For those struggling in their "illness"?

Quote:You should tell all the other fatherless boys that all they have to do is really believe that they have a father, and poof.....a wild fairy dad experience will appear.  

That is exactly what I do.  And that is exactly what i expect to happen.  Only it is not a "fairy dad".  But The Real Dad.  Because exactly this happened to me.  

Quote:Personally, I'm all set on dads.  All set on lovers too.  That's probably why this sort of evangelistic pitch doesn't appeal to me.  I already have what you're selling, and I'm satisfied with the product. 

I know.  We all have them.  Some are lucky and have a loving dad.  That is why God use this terminology so that we can be able to understand what He is about. 

The only difference is that God puts it in context with who and what He is.  The Almighty Dad.  That is where it gets "mind blowing".  And that is why I appear to be without a "mind" because God "blew it away" in my experiences with Him.

Quote:What's not true, exactly?  People who rave about seeing gods aren't generally considered to be of sound mind, least of all by other alleged god believers.

 
Yep.  We don't see God with our physical eyes but with our Spiritual Eyes.  But the picture does get more clear every day as we grow up to "see" Him better.

Quote:Telling people you have a relationship with god is a common christian cliche.  Conversational shorthand for identity.

All Christians know that this is what it all is about.  We have to grow into experiencing more of God's presence in our Lives as a Reality. 

Quote:I'd be hesitant to compare belief in religions to belief in intervening gods.  There's nothing particularly wrong with religion, the same might not be the case with regards to the other.  If you insist that a gods intervention has done whatever to you, that lead to what we see today

Religion is the mind thinking about God and trying to bring it to others in understandable words and ideas and opinions.  It is not Relationships.  You can for instance tell your friend about your wife but it is not the actual relationship with you and your wife.  

Quote:- then I'm going to point you in the direction of piles and piles of religious humanists without these cognitive ticks.

There are many different religions and those adhering to them.  As Christians we know we have to find unity which is rather evasive.  To find some Christian that differ from me is easy.  But let us stick to what we have.  Those calling them Christians seems to stay away from my thread.  Why do you think it is the case?

Quote:Honestly, I think that the user of a christian cliche's relative lack of faith in their gods (compared to some nut) probably correlates nicely to their level of sanity.

We call it different.  We are getting born as a Child of God.  And we enter this Life as a Baby of God.  Or a Baby God which many will object too.  But that is me defining the Reality of having God as Father.  So the "Babies" just does not understand much.  That is where the divisions comes from.

(May 28, 2020 at 9:39 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: What about the feeling of "compassion"?  For those struggling in their "illness"?

Sure, that too...but we're talking about a self inflicted wound....soooooo........

Quote:That is exactly what I do.  And that is exactly what i expect to happen.  Only it is not a "fairy dad".  But The Real Dad.  Because exactly this happened to me.  

That gone over well?  How many members are there in your cult at present?

Quote:I know.  We all have them.  Some are lucky and have a loving dad.  That is why God use this terminology so that we can be able to understand what He is about. 

We clearly don't all have them, at least not like I do.  Your desire for a father and a lover is plain demonstration of that.  If god uses this terminology tpo help us understand, then he fucked up there - it breeds confusion and nutbars, like you.

Or maybe you fucked up.  What are the odds, if you had to call them, between you being the fuckup and the author of creation being the fuckup?

Quote:The only difference is that God puts it in context with who and what He is.  The Almighty Dad.  That is where it gets "mind blowing".  And that is why I appear to be without a "mind" because God "blew it away" in my experiences with Him.

Sure.......that's definitely why...........

Quote:Yep.  We don't see God with our physical eyes but with our Spiritual Eyes.  But the picture does get more clear every day as we grow up to "see" Him better.

You must have extra eyes.  I don't have any spiritual eyes.  That has to be awkward when you hook up on tinder.

Quote:All Christians know that this is what it all is about.  We have to grow into experiencing more of God's presence in our Lives as a Reality. 

Do they?   Does that include you, or the "other" christians...because it seems to me like you guys have some disagreement over what it's all about.

Quote:Religion is the mind thinking about God and trying to bring it to others in understandable words and ideas and opinions.  It is not Relationships.  You can for instance tell your friend about your wife but it is not the actual relationship with you and your wife.  

Religion has no necessary relationship to gods.  Plenty of religious people never think about them at all.  

Quote:There are many different religions and those adhering to them.  As Christians we know we have to find unity which is rather evasive.  To find some Christian that differ from me is easy.  But let us stick to what we have.  Those calling them Christians seems to stay away from my thread.  Why do you think it is the case?

We get the loudest nutbars who don't represent christianity.  Nutbars like you.  That;s how I would explain it.  If a christian finds themselveds here, it's very likely that they;ve already tried christian water and been ejected from the pool.
  
How about you, what has your experience been?  Ejected from the christian pool lately......?

Quote:We call it different.  We are getting born as a Child of God.  And we enter this Life as a Baby of God.  Or a Baby God which many will object too.  But that is me defining the Reality of having God as Father.  So the "Babies" just does not understand much.  That is where the divisions comes from.

You keep saying we...but unless there's more than one person in your head...`or you'd like to invite another person from your cult to the boards..it's just you.

If God loves me, why does he see other people?

Boru

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: And maybe we have to conclude that He doesn't exist.

Hey Johanabrahams.

Are you still claming to be both God and God's wife?

Are you still asking people to call you "Mother?"

Are you still stalking your ex-wife and trying to get people to harass her online?

Are you still working in an unlicensed bar?

Are you still bitter about the town that took out restraining orders against you for standing on street corners screaming about beating people with a club?

Are you still trying to get personal information about people and stalking them elsewhere?

Is it still the case that the only one of your kids who still talks to you is the alcoholic who buys cheap booze at the unlicensed bar you work at?

Did you ever face trial for the accusations of child abuse that were made against you and got you kicked out of a daycare?

(May 28, 2020 at 12:27 pm)flakingnapstich Wrote:

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: And maybe we have to conclude that He doesn't exist.

Hey Johanabrahams.

Are you still claming to be both God and God's wife?

Are you still asking people to call you "Mother?"

Are you still stalking your ex-wife and trying to get people to harass her online?

Are you still working in an unlicensed bar?

Are you still bitter about the town that took out restraining orders against you for standing on street corners screaming about beating people with a club?

Are you still trying to get personal information about people and stalking them elsewhere?

Is it still the case that the only one of your kids who still talks to you is the alcoholic who buys cheap booze at the unlicensed bar you work at?

Did you ever face trial for the accusations of child abuse that were made against you and got you kicked out of a daycare?

(May 28, 2020 at 12:27 pm)flakingnapstich Wrote:

(May 21, 2020 at 6:23 am)Johanabrahams Wrote: And maybe we have to conclude that He doesn't exist.

Hey Johanabrahams.

Are you still claming to be both God and God's wife?

Are you still asking people to call you "Mother?"

Are you still stalking your ex-wife and trying to get people to harass her online?

Are you still working in an unlicensed bar?

Are you still bitter about the town that took out restraining orders against you for standing on street corners screaming about beating people with a club?

Are you still trying to get personal information about people and stalking them elsewhere?

Is it still the case that the only one of your kids who still talks to you is the alcoholic who buys cheap booze at the unlicensed bar you work at?

Did you ever face trial for the accusations of child abuse that were made against you and got you kicked out of a daycare?

Are you serious? Where did you find out about that stuff?

He used to be on the International Skeptics Forum a few years back. It's been a while since I'd even thought of him so I can't remember the specifics of where he revealed some of those tidbits.

He was eventually banned for stalking behavior. It was neat neat trick on his part. He managed to get himself permanently banned while suspended.

He also exposed a lot in his Facebook comments, but he tends to hide or delete those if they become inconvenient for the narrative he's presenting at any given moment.

If memory serves one of his opening salvos was to post the contact information for a bunch of people who had taken out restraining orders against him. He was asking forum members to get in touch with them. The moderators deleted the list and gave him a warning, but not before another forum member snagged the list and contacted those people asking about Johanabrahams. The people who responded asked not to be named but supposedly confirmed some very unflattering things about him.

The cherry on top was that if anyone brought up something one of these poor people had said, Johanabrahams went on a tirade about talking about people behind their back and immorally researching his past, as if he were not the one who had started by asking others to get in touch with those folks in the first place! He even did this with things he himself had admitted or even bragged about.

(May 28, 2020 at 12:41 pm)Gwaithmir Wrote:

(May 28, 2020 at 12:27 pm)flakingnapstich Wrote: Hey Johanabrahams.

Are you still claming to be both God and God's wife?

Are you still asking people to call you "Mother?"

Are you still stalking your ex-wife and trying to get people to harass her online?

Are you still working in an unlicensed bar?

Are you still bitter about the town that took out restraining orders against you for standing on street corners screaming about beating people with a club?

Are you still trying to get personal information about people and stalking them elsewhere?

Is it still the case that the only one of your kids who still talks to you is the alcoholic who buys cheap booze at the unlicensed bar you work at?

Did you ever face trial for the accusations of child abuse that were made against you and got you kicked out of a daycare?

Are you serious? Where did you find out about that stuff?

He used to post on the International Skeptics forum:

(May 28, 2020 at 6:43 am)Johanabrahams Wrote:

(May 26, 2020 at 1:30 pm)brewer Wrote: Best current evidence that the practice of lobotomization should be reinstated.

That only works on the brain and not the Spirit.   But to try and take me back to a life without Love and struggling again with the evil spirits of human live, like stress, anxiety, fear, jealousy, irritation, impatience, lack of self control, anger etc. is very selfish of you.

God loboto mi . . . . spirit of humans and now I am just Love.  Saved from dead human life in intellectualism only.  Using their intellect for Relationships too in the absence of Love.  God added a New Dimension to my Life that is not in my mind.  It is just your minds trying to fathom God and what He did on me that needs some more "Knowledge".