(October 28, 2011 at 8:26 am)lucent Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:21 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:08 am)lucent Wrote: The entire way of the Earth was corrupt, animals included.

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth. Then God said to Noah, “The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them; and behold, I am about to destroy them with the earth. (Genesis 6:11-13)

As you know, exposure to human beings can change animals behavior, so when human beings became nearly entirely corrupt, it effected the animals too.

So what had all the plants and bacteria and fungi done to be so corrupt?

And only a small percentage of animals have exposure to humans even now, so what were the crimes of the animals not so exposed?

Galatians 5:9

A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

You must know about the interconnected nature of the biosphere, and the interdependencies therein. If one species starts being abnormal, it will cause a chain reaction..and soon the whole thing will be off kilter.

I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.

So what?? your deity apparently STILL condemned them lucy

(October 28, 2011 at 8:22 am)5thHorseman Wrote: but why, if he watches us, did he allow them to go so wrong and not just nip it in the bud? or does he savour mass murder?

He allows us to go wrong if we're totally bent on doing it. If your kid wants to go and do something wrong, and you lock him in his room, sooner or later he will find a way to get out and do it. He will probably resent you all the more for restricting him. God may have done quite a bit, but humanity was obviously determined to do whatever it wanted to.

'sooner or later he will find a way to get out and do it'

No, I'm a good parent, they do as they are told, surely God, with all his power could do thus with his children?

(October 28, 2011 at 8:31 am)lucent Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:22 am)5thHorseman Wrote: but why, if he watches us, did he allow them to go so wrong and not just nip it in the bud? or does he savour mass murder?

He allows us to go wrong if we're totally bent on doing it. If your kid wants to go and do something wrong, and you lock him in his room, sooner or later he will find a way to get out and do it. He will probably resent you all the more for restricting him. God may have done quite a bit, but humanity was obviously determined to do whatever it wanted to.

Why do you anthropomorphosise this deity of yours as if he is a father?? My father was a jerk and sounds like you are no better.

(October 28, 2011 at 8:26 am)lucent Wrote: You must know about the interconnected nature of the biosphere, and the interdependencies therein. If one species starts being abnormal, it will cause a chain reaction..and soon the whole thing will be off kilter.

Yes? and you have evidence for this phenomenon?

Quote:I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.

Didn't stop god from wiping them out though.

'I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.'

Firstly, you are no better than a plant, they offer oxygen and have more use to this planet then we. No such things as lower lifeforms in my view, just different and less destructive, so quite possibly better.

There is no such thing as a soul.

(October 28, 2011 at 8:32 am)5thHorseman Wrote: 'sooner or later he will find a way to get out and do it'

No, I'm a good parent, they do as they are told, surely God, with all his power could do thus with his children?

He could easily stop people from doing wrong, but that would mean that no one had any choice. If God made an appearance, for example, everyone would obey Him, even the people who hated Him. But then no one would have any choice. He keeps Himself at arms length to allow people a choice.

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(October 28, 2011 at 8:34 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:31 am)lucent Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:22 am)5thHorseman Wrote: but why, if he watches us, did he allow them to go so wrong and not just nip it in the bud? or does he savour mass murder?

He allows us to go wrong if we're totally bent on doing it. If your kid wants to go and do something wrong, and you lock him in his room, sooner or later he will find a way to get out and do it. He will probably resent you all the more for restricting him. God may have done quite a bit, but humanity was obviously determined to do whatever it wanted to.

Why do you anthropomorphosise this deity of yours as if he is a father?? My father was a jerk and sounds like you are no better.

The relationship between God and His church is as a Father to His children. When you become a Christian, God adopts you as His son or daughter. The body of Christ is a family and Christians are brothers and sisters.

'everyone would obey Him, even the people who hated Him'

I wouldn't, I'm not spineless. And no one hates him, i just dont believe he's real.

(October 28, 2011 at 8:34 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:26 am)lucent Wrote: You must know about the interconnected nature of the biosphere, and the interdependencies therein. If one species starts being abnormal, it will cause a chain reaction..and soon the whole thing will be off kilter.

Yes? and you have evidence for this phenomenon?

Quote:I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.

Didn't stop god from wiping them out though.

http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0110-ants_trees.html

"Didn't stop god from wiping them out though."

It's His call, they are essentially extraneous in the equation.

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(October 28, 2011 at 8:35 am)5thHorseman Wrote: 'I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.'

Firstly, you are no better than a plant, they offer oxygen and have more use to this planet then we. No such things as lower lifeforms in my view, just different and less destructive, so quite possibly better.

There is no such thing as a soul.

God is the one who maintains this planet, and He is the one that gives the increase to the plants and so forth. As far as value, we are more valuable to God than any other lifeform. He created human beings in His image. No other creation of His has this distinction.

"There is no such thing as a soul."

That's your faith.

(October 28, 2011 at 8:44 am)lucent Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:34 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(October 28, 2011 at 8:26 am)lucent Wrote: You must know about the interconnected nature of the biosphere, and the interdependencies therein. If one species starts being abnormal, it will cause a chain reaction..and soon the whole thing will be off kilter.

Yes? and you have evidence for this phenomenon?

Quote:I don't believe plants and lower lifeforms have souls.

Didn't stop god from wiping them out though.

http://news.mongabay.com/2008/0110-ants_trees.html

"Didn't stop god from wiping them out though."

It's His call, they are essentially extraneous in the equation.

And the evidence for this chain reaction of which you speak?