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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:30 am
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Godschild Wrote:God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.
OK, I'll play the game, lets assume scripture is right, just for the sake of argument:
He lied, if I have scripture right the 'snake' is actually the one that told the truth, but it doesn't matter. A much horrendus crime happened when god judges adam and eve for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Its like punishing a child that can't understand its actions for touching the hot stove. That is immoral and criminal in my view, god should be tried for negligent care. But you won't see that will you G-C?
And why did god put that tree in there anyway?
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:42 am
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: You all know that I always have answers for everything but these ones have me stumped. That or Satan is deceiving me. How could I know?
You could know if you understood the truth.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If angels have free will, why has one never shown themselves?
Not only is this a non-sequiter, it assumes angels haven't shown themselves, or if they haven't, it shows they don't have free will. The question makes no sense what so ever.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: If either of these showed itself, we could not distinguish it from God himself. No one has ever seen God. Would we accept it as God and be deceived?
Only a demon would identify itself as something other than what it is. That is why you are supposed to test the spirits.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: After all, it is said by God that Satan has the power to deceive the whole world.
Knowing this, and knowing that most of the world belongs to one religion or another. It follows that most people in these religions have been deceived.
All people who don't know Christ have been deceived, and many people who do know Christ are deceived in some way or another.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: How then can believers be so sure that they follow the right God?
As scripture indicates that most if not all will be following the wrong God thanks to deception.
If that is the truth then scripture is also right about who God is.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Are you somehow immune to Satan, who can deceive the whole world?
If atheists are deceived, then there really is a God.
If believers are deceived, then there really is no God.
All truth is spiritually discerned. If you don't have Gods spirit resting on you, you cannot discern it.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Are morals the only good way around it?
If so, then if you are a believer that believes that Sodom or the genocide of Noah’s day is good justice, does that mean that you have been deceived?
Morals don't get you anywhere. We all deserve death and hell. Salvation is by grace, which is unmerited favor.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Because on the face of it, since non believers are a minority and think it evil, then you, as part of the majority and think it good, must be wrong.
non-sequiter
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Is genocide then a good thing or an evil thing?
Justice is not genocide.
(October 19, 2011 at 2:07 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Careful, you have definitely been deceived if God was right. Satan has deceived you
God is always right, but your interpretation is skewed.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:46 am
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lucent Wrote:God is always right, but your interpretation is skewed.
But you said you NEED several books to come to some sort of "truth" how do you know YOUR "Interpretation" is not skewed luce??
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:47 am
(October 28, 2011 at 7:42 am)lucent Wrote: Justice is not genocide.
Yep, killing every damn living thing on the planet because of the actions of a minority.
Justice right there.......
What an inept bumbling loser your god is.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:49 am
On the 'is genocide a good thing or an evil thing', as simple yes or no would have sufficed, instead of twisting it. If your claiming that the genocide is justice, not genocide, you are indeed a cunt.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:50 am
(October 28, 2011 at 7:30 am)LastPoet Wrote: Godschild Wrote:God lies to no one, read scripture, what makes you think God lied to Adam and Eve.
OK, I'll play the game, lets assume scripture is right, just for the sake of argument:
He lied, if I have scripture right the 'snake' is actually the one that told the truth, but it doesn't matter. A much horrendus crime happened when god judges adam and eve for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Its like punishing a child that can't understand its actions for touching the hot stove. That is immoral and criminal in my view, god should be tried for negligent care. But you won't see that will you G-C?
And why did god put that tree in there anyway?
The translation is somewhat inaccurate. In the hebrew it reads something like "dying, you will die". What God was saying is that they would no longer be immortal and start to die. There is also the fact that they died spiritually on that day. God didn't lie about anything.
He put the tree there so they would have a choice whether to obey Him or not. If you read the verse when Eve is talking to Satan, it is clear that she understands it is wrong and what the punishment is. She was tempted by these three things:
The lust of the flesh (the tree was good for food)
The lust of the eyes (the tree was a delight to the eyes)
The pride of life (the fruit would make her wise)
She knew it was wrong and she did it anyway. Adam knew it was wrong but listened to his wife instead of God. They broke the fellowship and brought death into the world. They reaped what they sowed.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:51 am
(October 28, 2011 at 7:46 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: lucent Wrote:God is always right, but your interpretation is skewed.
But you said you NEED several books to come to some sort of "truth" how do you know YOUR "Interpretation" is not skewed luce??
This is the truest thing you'll read all day, I was taught this in my history classes 2 weeks ago, my lecturer said 6 books minimum, by reputable authors.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:52 am
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(October 28, 2011 at 7:46 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: lucent Wrote:God is always right, but your interpretation is skewed.
But you said you NEED several books to come to some sort of "truth" how do you know YOUR "Interpretation" is not skewed luce??
I never said that. The differences between translations are fairly minor, although there are a lot of very poor translations out there. We know they aren't skewed because they all say basically the same thing and match up to the originals. As far as interpretation go, the fundementals are very straight forward..the differences come really in understanding eschetology.
(October 28, 2011 at 7:47 am)Zen Badger Wrote: (October 28, 2011 at 7:42 am)lucent Wrote: Justice is not genocide.
Yep, killing every damn living thing on the planet because of the actions of a minority.
Justice right there.......
What an inept bumbling loser your god is.
If you're referring to the flood, it wasn't the actions of a minority. Noah was the only righteous man on the entire planet.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:56 am
So why do you NEED various "translations" luce? if they all say the same thing??
Sounding more and more like a mankind written object then a tome dictated by a deity.
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RE: A really hard question on Satan and deception.
October 28, 2011 at 7:56 am
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(October 28, 2011 at 7:49 am)5thHorseman Wrote: On the 'is genocide a good thing or an evil thing', as simple yes or no would have sufficed, instead of twisting it. If your claiming that the genocide is justice, not genocide, you are indeed a cunt.
I'm saying Gods judgement doesn't qualify as genocide, which was the implication.
(October 28, 2011 at 7:56 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: So why do you NEED various "translations" luce? if they all say the same thing??
Sounding more and more like a mankind written object then a tome dictated by a deity.
Who says I do? Not all translations are created equal, and some choose to use different words in different places. I stick with one translation, and sometimes refer to others if I am unsure about a certain word or phraseology. You don't *need* more than one translation.
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