(August 27, 2020 at 3:45 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 3:28 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Looking shit up again.

The lowest rent among large cities in Michigan is Detroit. Average rent there is a little more than a thousand a month ($1064).

So..362 x 4 =1448. After rent, that leaves $384 for power, water, sewer, garbage, food, transportation (and petrol for the same), insurance, etc etc.

Seems doable, if these bums could shake their eating habit. Join a fucking 12 Step programme, whydonacha?

Boru

I did unemployment for an entire year - by myself - with no additional income. If memory serves it was about $250 a week. (Mid 1990's).

It was like an extended vacation. I had absolutely no problem making ends meet.

Well, yippity fucking skip for you.

Boru

(August 27, 2020 at 4:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 3:45 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: I did unemployment for an entire year - by myself - with no additional income. If memory serves it was about $250 a week. (Mid 1990's).

It was like an extended vacation. I had absolutely no problem making ends meet.

Well, yippity fucking skip for you.

Boru

I call bullshit

(August 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 4:23 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, yippity fucking skip for you.

Boru

I call bullshit

Nah, it’s doable. $250 in 1995 would have been the equivalent $425 today. Still would have been a squeeze, though. 

But not everyone is in the same situation. Some single-earner households have children, some don’t. Some have car payments, some don’t. Some have medical issues, some don’t. Simply because OLB was able to get by on - essentially - $1700 per month doesn’t mean everyone can.

Boru

(August 27, 2020 at 5:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 4:57 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: I call bullshit

Nah, it’s doable. $250 in 1995 would have been the equivalent $425 today. Still would have been a squeeze, though. 

But not everyone is in the same situation. Some single-earner households have children, some don’t. Some have car payments, some don’t. Some have medical issues, some don’t. Simply because OLB was able to get by on - essentially - $1700 per month doesn’t mean everyone can.

Boru

Doable but unlikely and yeah not all people in the same situation. Again it's just him pulling his everyone's a cheat or lazy card .

For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole. Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner. Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income. Not all landlords own multiple properties. If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to. If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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(August 27, 2020 at 5:32 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 5:13 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Nah, it’s doable. $250 in 1995 would have been the equivalent $425 today. Still would have been a squeeze, though. 

But not everyone is in the same situation. Some single-earner households have children, some don’t. Some have car payments, some don’t. Some have medical issues, some don’t. Simply because OLB was able to get by on - essentially - $1700 per month doesn’t mean everyone can.

Boru

Doable but unlikely and yeah not all people in the same situation. Again it's just him pulling his everyone's a cheat or lazy card .

(August 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole.  Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner.  Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income.  Not all landlords own multiple properties.  If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to.  If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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And a landlord hardship fund is exactly what some lawmakers are proposing, to go hand in hand with rent cancelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_rent

Quote:In April 2020, Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar introduced Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act. This act called for a cancellation of all rental and mortgage payments in the United States for the duration of the coronavirus crisis. A relief fund would be established for landlords and mortgage holders, which would help them recover financial losses.[13] The bill was co-sponsored by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, Veronica Escobar , Jesús “Chuy” García, and Grace Meng.[13]

So, it doesn't need to be an 'either/or' situation. It's perfectly possible to help tenants while making sure landlords don't go under.

Boru

(August 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole.  Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner.  Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income.  Not all landlords own multiple properties.  If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to.  If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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(August 27, 2020 at 5:32 pm)SUNGULA Wrote: Doable but unlikely and yeah not all people in the same situation. Again it's just him pulling his everyone's a cheat or lazy card .

Aww i'm sorry me pointing out OLB BS bothers you

(August 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm)SUNGULA Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole.  Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner.  Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income.  Not all landlords own multiple properties.  If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to.  If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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Aww i'm sorry me pointing out OLB BS bothers you

You are a stalker.

(August 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole.  Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner.  Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income.  Not all landlords own multiple properties.  If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to.  If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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And a landlord hardship fund is exactly what some lawmakers are proposing, to go hand in hand with rent cancelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_rent

Quote:In April 2020, Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar introduced Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act. This act called for a cancellation of all rental and mortgage payments in the United States for the duration of the coronavirus crisis. A relief fund would be established for landlords and mortgage holders, which would help them recover financial losses.[13] The bill was co-sponsored by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, Veronica Escobar , Jesús “Chuy” García, and Grace Meng.[13]

So, it doesn't need to be an 'either/or' situation. It's perfectly possible to help tenants while making sure landlords don't go under.

Boru

So who is going to pay?

If you say "the government" you will be awarded 1000 Stupidity Points. The government generates no income whatsoever. It only transfers money that it takes in from the citizens who generate wealth.

(August 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(August 27, 2020 at 6:45 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: For rent to be cancelled there has to be a way to make the landlord whole.  Basically the choice is the tenant or the owner.  Either way someone loses.

It would make more sense to set up a program whereby landlords don't lose what could be their only source of income.  Not all landlords own multiple properties.  If rent isn't paid the landlord still has property taxes and other expenses to tend to.  If a repair is needed at a rental property is the landlord still supposed to fix the problem when they aren't collecting rent?

If we cancel rent how long do we do it while still expecting the owner to pay the property taxes and keep up with necessary repairs?

A program to help landlords who agree to reduce rent for a time makes more sense than saying hey - one of you gets screwed...we've decided it's the owner of the property.

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And a landlord hardship fund is exactly what some lawmakers are proposing, to go hand in hand with rent cancelling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancel_rent

Quote:In April 2020, Minnesota Congresswoman Ilhan Omar introduced Rent and Mortgage Cancellation Act. This act called for a cancellation of all rental and mortgage payments in the United States for the duration of the coronavirus crisis. A relief fund would be established for landlords and mortgage holders, which would help them recover financial losses.[13] The bill was co-sponsored by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Pramila Jayapal, Mark Pocan, Veronica Escobar , Jesús “Chuy” García, and Grace Meng.[13]

So, it doesn't need to be an 'either/or' situation. It's perfectly possible to help tenants while making sure landlords don't go under.

Boru

So far our government can't decide on anything for relief.  The list of names above almost ensures that nothing will get done.  The old guard won't listen to their suggestions.