I would fault such a road intersection more on stupid road architecture, than particularly traffic laws and/or road sign placement. But whatcha gonna do? Change the road architecture? Gimme a break, I have vehicle insurance premiums to calculate based on statistical analysis of intersection-induced accidents.

Just fucking change the road, somehow, and I suggest replacing it with a road roundabout, or something, based on the environment locality.

(October 22, 2020 at 9:07 am)Sal Wrote: I would fault such a road intersection more on stupid road architecture, than particularly traffic laws and/or road sign placement. But whatcha gonna do? Change the road architecture? Gimme a break, I have vehicle insurance premiums to calculate based on statistical analysis of intersection-induced accidents.

Just fucking change the road, somehow, and I suggest replacing it with a road roundabout, or something, based on the environment locality.

Trying to make something foolproof underestimates the ingenuity of fools...

(October 22, 2020 at 8:07 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 7:14 am)arewethereyet Wrote: It's not a crime.  

Who are the "they" who require you to surrender found money?  Any time there's a nickel on the ground do you have to surrender it to the police?  Or is there a dollar amount attached to this "requirement"?

If you find a pile of money you are fully aware that you are not the owner. Do I need to go from there?

A pile of money...what is the cutoff?  Ten bucks?  A thousand?  A roll of quarters left at the laundromat?

Driving away from your money seems like abandonment to me since you went to the ATM and pushed all the appropriate buttons to get money.  The entire purpose of being at the ATM was to get money.  But instead of taking the money you left.

I suggested it may be time for Brian to get some help with his ADHD as it's now costing him money.

(October 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 8:07 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: If you find a pile of money you are fully aware that you are not the owner. Do I need to go from there?

A pile of money...what is the cutoff?  Ten bucks?  A thousand?  A roll of quarters left at the laundromat?

Driving away from your money seems like abandonment to me since you went to the ATM and pushed all the appropriate buttons to get money.  The entire purpose of being at the ATM was to get money.  But instead of taking the money you left.

I suggested it may be time for Brian to get some help with his ADHD as it's now costing him money.

There is no cutoff amount, other than the one distinguishing between petty and grand larceny. Lifting $60 from an ATM is no less illegal than lifting $1000.

I agree that Brian did a stupid thing by going off and leaving his cash behind, but that’s immaterial. Suppose he’d left the keys in a car with the engine running (another stupid thing to do). Is it really sensible to think that he’s abandoned the car and that it’s anyone’s for the taking?

Boru

(October 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: A pile of money...what is the cutoff?  Ten bucks?  A thousand?  A roll of quarters left at the laundromat?

Driving away from your money seems like abandonment to me since you went to the ATM and pushed all the appropriate buttons to get money.  The entire purpose of being at the ATM was to get money.  But instead of taking the money you left.

I suggested it may be time for Brian to get some help with his ADHD as it's now costing him money.

There is no cutoff amount, other than the one distinguishing between petty and grand larceny. Lifting $60 from an ATM is no less illegal than lifting $1000.

I agree that Brian did a stupid thing by going off and leaving his cash behind, but that’s immaterial. Suppose he’d left the keys in a car with the engine running (another stupid thing to do). Is it really sensible to think that he’s abandoned the car and that it’s anyone’s for the taking?

Boru

Just trying to see where people draw the line at what constitutes a "pile" of money as Zilla described it.

I still think something to treat the scatter-brainedness is a good idea.  

It's not about being a dumb ass...it's about not paying attention or maybe not being able to pay attention.  There's help for that.

(October 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 1:24 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: A pile of money...what is the cutoff?  Ten bucks?  A thousand?  A roll of quarters left at the laundromat?

Driving away from your money seems like abandonment to me since you went to the ATM and pushed all the appropriate buttons to get money.  The entire purpose of being at the ATM was to get money.  But instead of taking the money you left.

I suggested it may be time for Brian to get some help with his ADHD as it's now costing him money.

There is no cutoff amount, other than the one distinguishing between petty and grand larceny. Lifting $60 from an ATM is no less illegal than lifting $1000.

I agree that Brian did a stupid thing by going off and leaving his cash behind, but that’s immaterial. Suppose he’d left the keys in a car with the engine running (another stupid thing to do). Is it really sensible to think that he’s abandoned the car and that it’s anyone’s for the taking?

Boru

Great analogy. I agree. Yes, I did a stupid thing. But just like the car, no reasonable person would assume that it is ok to take the car because the keys were left in it. Money still hanging partially in the ATM is akin to leaving the keys in the ignition with the door unlocked.

(October 22, 2020 at 2:15 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There is no cutoff amount, other than the one distinguishing between petty and grand larceny. Lifting $60 from an ATM is no less illegal than lifting $1000.

I agree that Brian did a stupid thing by going off and leaving his cash behind, but that’s immaterial. Suppose he’d left the keys in a car with the engine running (another stupid thing to do). Is it really sensible to think that he’s abandoned the car and that it’s anyone’s for the taking?

Boru

Just trying to see where people draw the line at what constitutes a "pile" of money as Zilla described it.

I still think something to treat the scatter-brainedness is a good idea.  

It's not about being a dumb ass...it's about not paying attention or maybe not being able to pay attention.  There's help for that.

I agree that it seems to be a problem and he should seek treatment.  No argument.

Boru

(October 22, 2020 at 2:44 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 1:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: There is no cutoff amount, other than the one distinguishing between petty and grand larceny. Lifting $60 from an ATM is no less illegal than lifting $1000.

I agree that Brian did a stupid thing by going off and leaving his cash behind, but that’s immaterial. Suppose he’d left the keys in a car with the engine running (another stupid thing to do). Is it really sensible to think that he’s abandoned the car and that it’s anyone’s for the taking?

Boru

Great analogy. I agree. Yes, I did a stupid thing. But just like the car, no reasonable person would assume that it is ok to take the car because the keys were left in it. Money still hanging partially in the ATM is akin to leaving the keys in the ignition with the door unlocked.

And you have a government issued title in your name for that cash?

No?

....

Not the same thing, dufus.....


You leave money laying about in a public space - it's not really yours anymore...

(October 22, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 2:15 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Just trying to see where people draw the line at what constitutes a "pile" of money as Zilla described it.

I still think something to treat the scatter-brainedness is a good idea.  

It's not about being a dumb ass...it's about not paying attention or maybe not being able to pay attention.  There's help for that.

I agree that it seems to be a problem and he should seek treatment.  No argument.

Boru

Since when does being self deprecating a "problem". It's called having a sense of humor. If I had a problem, I would hate myself and kill myself over it. I have always had ADD issues. And I am a clutz as well. Not going to drive myself crazy trying to please everyone who thinks my problem is crippling, it isn't. It is simply me.

It is ok to have flaws and even joke about those flaws.

(October 22, 2020 at 2:59 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 22, 2020 at 2:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: I agree that it seems to be a problem and he should seek treatment.  No argument.

Boru

Since when does being self deprecating a "problem". It's called having a sense of humor. If I had a problem, I would hate myself and kill myself over it. I have always had ADD issues. And I am a clutz as well. Not going to drive myself crazy trying to please everyone who thinks my problem is crippling, it isn't. It is simply me.

It is ok to have flaws and even joke about those flaws.

The word is "klutz".

Now your ADD that you have said you enjoy is costing you money.  It's a problem that there is help for.