(December 17, 2020 at 2:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In 1914, Henry Ford paid ALL of his male factory workers $5/day - the men who made the engine parts were paid the same as the men who bolted on the tires who were paid the same as cleaned the lavvys and swept the floors.

This is the equivalent of $16.25/hour today. Mr. Ford was well known for not going bankrupt.

Boru

Mr Ford was brilliant.

He paid well - and for many years got huge returns in terms of employee loyalty. His workers could afford to buy the cars they built.....


Then came the unions - promising "mo money".

It went downhill from there.


I have worked for companies that paid well. I made more in the 1990's in actial dollars than my SO makes now. (And she has the degree).

It is smart for companies to pay well - to employees that work well. It is how you get quality work and a low turnover in personell. You get company loyalty.

When you offer the lowest wages - expect shoddy employee performance.

It is blitheringly stupid for the government to require employers to pay higher wages to employees with no assets.

(December 17, 2020 at 11:10 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Minimum wage is political fellatio - bought by politicians - at someone else's expense.

The worst part of it - is all the people who get screwed - by giving "mo money" to burger flippers and latte slingers.

Example: My SO currently makes better than double the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour - working accounts payable for a local family owned business. It's not great money - but it is pretty much the scale for such jobs in this area. She has a 4 year degree in accounting and 25 years experience.

Now along comes Joe Politician - ordering up the political blowjob - so he can score some votes by looking all "compassionate". Gotta get "mo money" to the little guy. Snap- bang - gee whiz -- the greeter at Walmart is making $15 an hour - less than 10 percent less of what my SO makes. Isn't that fucking great???

So why did she spend 4 years getting a degree??? Why did we do without fun toys and not take any vacations for the last 5 years - so we could pay off her student loans???

Gee -- they want to make college free too.....

So now my SO will essentially be a minimum wage worker. DON'T even go on with moronic drivel of "her employer will raise her wages too".....

Are you THAT FUCKING STUPID???? He will not raise her wages. He will FREEZE wages - probably for years - AND he will be forced to lay off some of the employees. Unlike the government - he can't just print up more money when he needs it. Sure - he can pass on some of the costs to customers by raising prices.... HEY - WELCOME TO INFLATION!!!!

ALL minimum wage does - is ensure there are more poor people. All at the bottom of the pay scale.

And you wonder why the rich keep getting richer.

Maybe your wife should have chosen a better paying career path. Not sure how that’s the burger guy’s fault, or why he should have to suffer because your SO wasted her money on a degree that doesn’t pay very well. Maybe everyone deserves $15/hour; did you ever consider that? You’re mad in the wrong direction, OLB.

(December 17, 2020 at 2:45 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(December 17, 2020 at 11:10 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Minimum wage is political fellatio - bought by politicians - at someone else's expense.

The worst part of it - is all the people who get screwed - by giving "mo money" to burger flippers and latte slingers.

Example: My SO currently makes better than double the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour - working accounts payable for a local family owned business. It's not great money - but it is pretty much the scale for such jobs in this area. She has a 4 year degree in accounting and 25 years experience.

Now along comes Joe Politician - ordering up the political blowjob - so he can score some votes by looking all "compassionate". Gotta get "mo money" to the little guy. Snap- bang - gee whiz -- the greeter at Walmart is making $15 an hour - less than 10 percent less of what my SO makes. Isn't that fucking great???

So why did she spend 4 years getting a degree??? Why did we do without fun toys and not take any vacations for the last 5 years - so we could pay off her student loans???

Gee -- they want to make college free too.....

So now my SO will essentially be a minimum wage worker. DON'T even go on with moronic drivel of "her employer will raise her wages too".....

Are you THAT FUCKING STUPID???? He will not raise her wages. He will FREEZE wages - probably for years - AND he will be forced to lay off some of the employees. Unlike the government - he can't just print up more money when he needs it. Sure - he can pass on some of the costs to customers by raising prices.... HEY - WELCOME TO INFLATION!!!!

ALL minimum wage does - is ensure there are more poor people. All at the bottom of the pay scale.

And you wonder why the rich keep getting richer.

Maybe your wife should have chosen a better paying career path. Not sure how that’s the burger guy’s fault, or why he should have to suffer because your SO wasted her money on a degree that doesn’t pay very well. Maybe everyone deserves $15/hour; did you ever consider that? You’re mad in the wrong direction, OLB.

When hierarchies are so central to your mindset, such thoughts can only be seen as profane. Maybe some jobs deserve more money than others, but that doesn't mean that not everybody deserves a living wage.

LOL- living wage...

You know what that is?

The political fellatio of minimum wage with two fingers stuck up your ass.....


.......

Start a business. Hire people that cost you $15 an hour and bring in $5 an hour in profit.....


See how that works out

(December 17, 2020 at 2:45 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(December 17, 2020 at 11:10 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Minimum wage is political fellatio - bought by politicians - at someone else's expense.

The worst part of it - is all the people who get screwed - by giving "mo money" to burger flippers and latte slingers.

Example: My SO currently makes better than double the current minimum wage of $7.25 an hour - working accounts payable for a local family owned business. It's not great money - but it is pretty much the scale for such jobs in this area. She has a 4 year degree in accounting and 25 years experience.

Now along comes Joe Politician - ordering up the political blowjob - so he can score some votes by looking all "compassionate". Gotta get "mo money" to the little guy. Snap- bang - gee whiz -- the greeter at Walmart is making $15 an hour - less than 10 percent less of what my SO makes. Isn't that fucking great???

So why did she spend 4 years getting a degree??? Why did we do without fun toys and not take any vacations for the last 5 years - so we could pay off her student loans???

Gee -- they want to make college free too.....

So now my SO will essentially be a minimum wage worker. DON'T even go on with moronic drivel of "her employer will raise her wages too".....

Are you THAT FUCKING STUPID???? He will not raise her wages. He will FREEZE wages - probably for years - AND he will be forced to lay off some of the employees. Unlike the government - he can't just print up more money when he needs it. Sure - he can pass on some of the costs to customers by raising prices.... HEY - WELCOME TO INFLATION!!!!

ALL minimum wage does - is ensure there are more poor people. All at the bottom of the pay scale.

And you wonder why the rich keep getting richer.

Maybe your wife should have chosen a better paying career path. Not sure how that’s the burger guy’s fault, or why he should have to suffer because your SO wasted her money on a degree that doesn’t pay very well. Maybe everyone deserves $15/hour; did you ever consider that? You’re mad in the wrong direction, OLB.

I don't think it is ever a waste of money to get a degree if you can, even if you never use it. Many people do get jobs in their degree field, but many don't because life and bills  and competition get in the way.  Higher education should not put someone in a lifetime of debt in any case. 

My X-wife has a PHD in microbiology, she is now back in Japan, has a good paying job in her field. But before she left after she got her degree she was telling me that others in her masters and PHD class ended up working at places like Starbucks. It happens, and it is wrong to always blame someone for not moving up. Not everyone does. 

Paying everyone livable wages isn't a demand that a dishwasher makes the same as the owner. Pay differences do exist and nobody is demanding no wealth exist at all. People like OLB don't understand this.

After decades of bookkeeping I went and got a degree...in Criminal Justice.

One person I worked for asked why I didn't get a degree in Accounting. I told her I had been doing bookkeeping for years and wanted to learn something else. At no point did I think I would use my Criminal Justice degree, I just wanted to go to school because I didn't have the chance when I was younger. Funny thing is that I list it and it "counts" as having a degree even though it's not in the field where I work.

I sometimes try to convince people that they should buy a guitar from me because I have a degree in history.

You’d be unsurprised how rarely that works.

Boru

(December 17, 2020 at 2:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

(December 17, 2020 at 2:18 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: In 1914, Henry Ford paid ALL of his male factory workers $5/day - the men who made the engine parts were paid the same as the men who bolted on the tires who were paid the same as cleaned the lavvys and swept the floors.

This is the equivalent of $16.25/hour today. Mr. Ford was well known for not going bankrupt.

Boru

Mr Ford was brilliant.

He paid well - and for many years got huge returns in terms of employee loyalty. His workers could afford to buy the cars they built.....


Then came the unions - promising "mo money".

It went downhill from there.


I have worked for companies that paid well. I made more in the 1990's in actial dollars than my SO makes now. (And she has the degree).

It is smart for companies to pay well - to employees that work well. It is how you get quality work and a low turnover in personell. You get company loyalty.

When you offer the lowest wages - expect shoddy employee performance.

It is blitheringly stupid for the government to require employers to pay higher wages to employees with no assets.

So, why is it that paying his lowest skilled - even his unskilled - workers a living wage makes Ford ‘brilliant’, but people who ask for that wage are ‘parasitic cunts’?

Boru

(December 17, 2020 at 3:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(December 17, 2020 at 2:31 pm)onlinebiker Wrote: Mr Ford was brilliant.

He paid well - and for many years got huge returns in terms of employee loyalty. His workers could afford to buy the cars they built.....


Then came the unions - promising "mo money".

It went downhill from there.


I have worked for companies that paid well. I made more in the 1990's in actial dollars than my SO makes now. (And she has the degree).

It is smart for companies to pay well - to employees that work well. It is how you get quality work and a low turnover in personell. You get company loyalty.

When you offer the lowest wages - expect shoddy employee performance.

It is blitheringly stupid for the government to require employers to pay higher wages to employees with no assets.

So, why is it that paying his lowest skilled - even his unskilled - workers a living wage makes Ford ‘brilliant’, but people who ask for that wage are ‘parasitic cunts’?

Boru

You seem to forget - Ford only paid equal wages in the beginning to all employees. He quickly learned that it did not work - abd adjusted the pay accordingly.

The Soviets tried this too. They did not learn.as fast as Ford.- but did eventually learn.

Sorry. Communism does not work.

People.need incentives.

Um, you do realise the discussion is more about providing a baseline level of wages that workers can live on and not paying EVERYONE the exact same amount, right?