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Is there free will in Heaven?
#51
RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
(April 8, 2021 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote:
(April 7, 2021 at 3:25 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: In order for you to know that you have more meaning, joy, and contentment than me you’d have to have some method for knowing how much I have in the first place, otherwise you have nothing to compare your own against.
You obviously can’t know that because you aren’t me, which means you’re just being a dismissive, pretentious, narcissistic douche.

...or your not the unique snow flake that you think you are and 'we' can see the joy and happiness the world has to offer and we know these limits you enjoy because we at some point have also experienced these limits. and then have experienced how much more God has to offer.. 

in truth it is you who can't say 'we' experience a higher level of joy and contentment. Wink

(April 8, 2021 at 2:42 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: In other words, in heaven you are dead.

in heaven those who live in the flesh are indeed dead.. which is why i use a zombie analogy as to why God separates the living from the dead.

Right, in heaven you are a zombie, but without the flesh.    So....

It seems you would actually be nothing at all once you go to heaven.
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#52
RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
(April 8, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Way to stretch a metaphor.
OK I put it to you that the "heaven" you propose is open only to those who want to become zombies. Zombies are automatons which seek only a single goal mindlessly. That is what your "heaven" would make of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in it. A zombie with the sole purpose of praising the non existent god forever, for fuck all reason, fuck all recompense or reward and fuck all point.

In your messed up theology, if such it can be called, your god is an insecure weakling entirely dependent on zombies to mindlessly do his bidding. Satan, in your system, had a point. Satan at least had the bottle to say "Fuck this for a game" and leave. Frankly, so would I. And that torpedoes your whole claim that there is no free will in heaven. If that were true, there would be no Satan.

Has anyone written this as a novel yet? That would be a book I might read.

Okay, so, it plays out like an almost "by the book" zombie story but at some point, it is found out that the setting is actually heaven. The zombies are the dead humans that have come to heaven to worship God forever and our ragtag team of survivors are actually angels...or something. They all have to get to the earth gate and transport below and warn everyone not to become Christian because taking the blood and body of Christ is actually a contract you sign into, so when you die, you go to heaven and become a walking mindless creature that eats nonbelievers. If you die without signing the contract, you just die normal, disappearing forever. They fight through heaven to get to the gate losing the members of their group one by one until there's just two of them left. They make it to the gate but in fighting the guards, one of them is injured. So, the other angel has to go down alone.

Book two follows the renegade angel on earth battling the evil forces of heaven as some of the enslaved Christians are already unthinking, mindless creatures. His mission is to pull the curtain back and expose the cruel, egomaniacal wizard in the other dimension, heaven.

This could work, you guys.

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#53
RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
(April 8, 2021 at 4:44 pm)Five Wrote:
(April 8, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Way to stretch a metaphor.
OK I put it to you that the "heaven" you propose is open only to those who want to become zombies. Zombies are automatons which seek only a single goal mindlessly. That is what your "heaven" would make of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in it. A zombie with the sole purpose of praising the non existent god forever, for fuck all reason, fuck all recompense or reward and fuck all point.

In your messed up theology, if such it can be called, your god is an insecure weakling entirely dependent on zombies to mindlessly do his bidding. Satan, in your system, had a point. Satan at least had the bottle to say "Fuck this for a game" and leave. Frankly, so would I. And that torpedoes your whole claim that there is no free will in heaven. If that were true, there would be no Satan.

Has anyone written this as a novel yet? That would be a book I might read.

Okay, so, it plays out like an almost "by the book" zombie story but at some point, it is found out that the setting is actually heaven. The zombies are the dead humans that have come to heaven to worship God forever and our ragtag team of survivors are actually angels...or something. They all have to get to the earth gate and transport below and warn everyone not to become Christian because taking the blood and body of Christ is actually a contract you sign into, so when you die, you go to heaven and become a walking mindless creature that eats nonbelievers. If you die without signing the contract, you just die normal, disappearing forever. They fight through heaven to get to the gate losing the members of their group one by one until there's just two of them left. They make it to the gate but in fighting the guards, one of them is injured. So, the other angel has to go down alone.

Book two follows the renegade angel on earth battling the evil forces of heaven as some of the enslaved Christians are already unthinking, mindless creatures. His mission is to pull the curtain back and expose the cruel, egomaniacal wizard in the other dimension, heaven.

This could work, you guys.

Could make for a good read, sure enough. My creative writing alas would not be sufficient to that task.
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#54
RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
(April 8, 2021 at 11:32 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Is that why you think you use a zombie analogy to refer to all people other than your own fellow cultists?

I doubt it, but you do you.  I've got a little thought experiment for you to consider.  Now, we all hear about the praising god and doing gods will, and you've already staked out that whatever gods will is just is good, period, and you seem not to have an issue with any of that.

Wonderful, so, let's say it's a tuesday an eternity from now, and god decides he'd like to watch all of his human subjects get going with a bunch of fellatio.  Males to males, females to females.  How's that tuesday going to play out for you?
yes we went over all of this before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiYJ5Io59gU

(April 8, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: But you, or your god, are not offering any "higher level of joy and contentment." You and your god are offering mindless oblivion s if it is a thing to aspire to. Why would any thinking person want such an eternal horror?
That's not true.. In my case God has taken someone who society would have other wise discarded and not only given me things i neve knew i wanted, but pluged me into a life i did not earn or train for but somehow am well suited to do, with very little effort or frustration.. So for me to say I feel well loved and contented here I can only imagine how much more rewarded someone like we would be if we were all working together in God's will. without the threat or fear of anything.

(April 8, 2021 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote: in heaven those who live in the flesh are indeed dead.. which is why i use a zombie analogy as to why God separates the living from the dead.
Quote:Way to stretch a metaphor.
OK I put it to you that the "heaven" you propose is open only to those who want to become zombies. Zombies are automatons which seek only a single goal mindlessly. That is what your "heaven" would make of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in it. A zombie with the sole purpose of praising the non existent god forever, for fuck all reason, fuck all recompense or reward and fuck all point.
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Quote:In your messed up theology, if such it can be called, your god is an insecure weakling entirely dependent on zombies to mindlessly do his bidding. Satan, in your system, had a point. Satan at least had the bottle to say "Fuck this for a game" and leave. Frankly, so would I. And that torpedoes your whole claim that there is no free will in heaven. If that were true, there would be no Satan.
again satan, is not human nor a soul.. two read the book of job or just the first two chapters where it clearly shows Satan still answers to God that he is still limited by God's will. which goes to what i said about lack of free will in heaven.  Hehe

(April 8, 2021 at 4:19 pm)masoni Wrote: interpretations are relative.

so are cousins..  Hehe

(April 8, 2021 at 4:32 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote:
(April 8, 2021 at 11:29 am)Drich Wrote: ...or your not the unique snow flake that you think you are and 'we' can see the joy and happiness the world has to offer and we know these limits you enjoy because we at some point have also experienced these limits. and then have experienced how much more God has to offer.. 

in truth it is you who can't say 'we' experience a higher level of joy and contentment. Wink


in heaven those who live in the flesh are indeed dead.. which is why i use a zombie analogy as to why God separates the living from the dead.

Right, in heaven you are a zombie, but without the flesh.    So....

It seems you would actually be nothing at all once you go to heaven.
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(April 8, 2021 at 4:44 pm)Five Wrote:
(April 8, 2021 at 4:10 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Way to stretch a metaphor.
OK I put it to you that the "heaven" you propose is open only to those who want to become zombies. Zombies are automatons which seek only a single goal mindlessly. That is what your "heaven" would make of anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves in it. A zombie with the sole purpose of praising the non existent god forever, for fuck all reason, fuck all recompense or reward and fuck all point.

In your messed up theology, if such it can be called, your god is an insecure weakling entirely dependent on zombies to mindlessly do his bidding. Satan, in your system, had a point. Satan at least had the bottle to say "Fuck this for a game" and leave. Frankly, so would I. And that torpedoes your whole claim that there is no free will in heaven. If that were true, there would be no Satan.

Has anyone written this as a novel yet? That would be a book I might read.

Okay, so, it plays out like an almost "by the book" zombie story but at some point, it is found out that the setting is actually heaven. The zombies are the dead humans that have come to heaven to worship God forever and our ragtag team of survivors are actually angels...or something. They all have to get to the earth gate and transport below and warn everyone not to become Christian because taking the blood and body of Christ is actually a contract you sign into, so when you die, you go to heaven and become a walking mindless creature that eats nonbelievers. If you die without signing the contract, you just die normal, disappearing forever. They fight through heaven to get to the gate losing the members of their group one by one until there's just two of them left. They make it to the gate but in fighting the guards, one of them is injured. So, the other angel has to go down alone.

Book two follows the renegade angel on earth battling the evil forces of heaven as some of the enslaved Christians are already unthinking, mindless creatures. His mission is to pull the curtain back and expose the cruel, egomaniacal wizard in the other dimension, heaven.

This could work, you guys.

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(April 8, 2021 at 4:59 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(April 8, 2021 at 4:44 pm)Five Wrote: Has anyone written this as a novel yet? That would be a book I might read.

Okay, so, it plays out like an almost "by the book" zombie story but at some point, it is found out that the setting is actually heaven. The zombies are the dead humans that have come to heaven to worship God forever and our ragtag team of survivors are actually angels...or something. They all have to get to the earth gate and transport below and warn everyone not to become Christian because taking the blood and body of Christ is actually a contract you sign into, so when you die, you go to heaven and become a walking mindless creature that eats nonbelievers. If you die without signing the contract, you just die normal, disappearing forever. They fight through heaven to get to the gate losing the members of their group one by one until there's just two of them left. They make it to the gate but in fighting the guards, one of them is injured. So, the other angel has to go down alone.

Book two follows the renegade angel on earth battling the evil forces of heaven as some of the enslaved Christians are already unthinking, mindless creatures. His mission is to pull the curtain back and expose the cruel, egomaniacal wizard in the other dimension, heaven.

This could work, you guys.

Could make for a good read, sure enough. My creative writing alas would not be sufficient to that task.

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#55
RE: Is there free will in Heaven?
I'll just go ahead and assume from your non answer that you would have a problem with gods big gay tuesday orgy.


How about on wednesday, god decides to have everyone watch the soul destruction room, and, ofc, praise him. Problem with that?
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