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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:06 pm
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(June 6, 2021 at 4:52 pm)Helios Wrote: Too bad I never said doing it at home should be illegal. Maybe try reading what wrote next time.
Interesting, you think it should be legal to do abortions at home. "Discouraging" is an odd word to use because it implies disapproval of the thing you think they should be allowed to do. It's like saying women can wear whatever they want, but should be discouraged from wearing crop tops.
Why not inform them about the risks and benefits of attempting an abortion at home vs clinic, and then encourage them to make whatever choice they're comfortable with?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:22 pm
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Quote:Interesting, you think it should be legal to do abortions at home.
I never said should be legal. I never said it should be illegal. I offered no opinion on its legality either way.
Quote:"Discouraging" is an odd word to use because it implies disapproval of the thing you think they should be allowed to do.
No, it implies I believe they SHOULD NOT do. Not that they shouldn't be ALLOWED to do.
Quote: It's like saying women can wear whatever they want, but should be discouraged from wearing crop tops.
No, it's like saying you can wear whatever want but wearing a crop top in minus 40-degree weather probably isn't smart
Quote:Why not inform them about the risks and benefits of attempting abortion at home vs clinic, and then encourage them to make whatever choice they're comfortable with?
They already inform you about the risks of clinical abortion and there is honestly no advantage to home abortion at all. They can still choose to do one I suppose but they get all the risks and none of the benefits.
Seriously your quest to overcomplicate my statements are simply amazing
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:34 pm
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(June 6, 2021 at 5:22 pm)Helios Wrote: They can still choose to do one I suppose but they get all the risks and none of the benefits.
Great, and will you respect that decision? Because it doesn't sound like you're doing a whole lot of "minding your own business" by discouraging them (if you know what I mean).
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:41 pm
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Quote:Great, and will you respect that decision?
Yes
Quote: Because it doesn't sound like you're doing a whole lot of "minding your own business" by discouraging them (if you know what I mean).
Minding your own business when it comes to their ultimate decision is not the same as stating your opinion on the matter or informing them of the risks
You're desperately looking for inconsistency where none exists 
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:53 pm
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(June 6, 2021 at 5:41 pm)Helios Wrote: Minding your own business when it comes to their ultimate decision is not the same as stating your opinion on the matter [emphasis added] or informing them of the risks
Doesn't minding your own business mean your opinion is not welcome?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 5:57 pm
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Quote:Doesn't minding your own business mean your opinion is not welcome?
No mind your own business can mean at a certain point (their decision ) you need to accept that it's their decision and butt out.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 6:01 pm
Okay if you say so lol. No further questions.
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 6:07 pm
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Quote:Okay if you say so lol. No further questions.
So no actual objection then. Oh yes because there isn't one. Because there nothing inconsistent or inaccurate with my use of the term. Despite your efforts 
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 6:34 pm
(June 6, 2021 at 4:25 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (June 6, 2021 at 4:13 pm)Helios Wrote: Along with discouraging women from doing a medical procedure on themselves. Has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.
It certainly does. You are dictating what they can do with their body by placing an asterisk regarding how they are allowed to do it. By parallel reasoning, mechanics also have to follow certain standards and are liable for damages, but presumably you wouldn't prevent people from changing their oil at home, even if the risk of ending up dead underneath a car is not zero.
ps. "Discouraging" is a rather ironic, if not dishonest, word choice, wouldn't you agree?
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RE: Why did Jesus suffer for sinners and not victims
June 6, 2021 at 7:16 pm
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(June 6, 2021 at 1:18 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: (June 6, 2021 at 10:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: If you believe strongly enough to force a birth, at least have the courage of your own convictions to plainly discuss it.
As I said earlier, the real world is too complex to be thinking in such absolute terms. We are not slaves to rules—even the Bible asks us to break them when better outcomes can be achieved (e.g. Jesus healing on the Sabbath, or David eating bread from the Temple). As such, I have no issues with abortion being justified under some scenarios but not under others.
That said, I'm not a fan of many pro-choice arguments; they have a certain avoidant nature to them.
It's not about people who have abortions and whether or not an abortion is or isn't or even can be justified. . It's about what you're willing to use the power of the state to do.
So, let's hear it. Will you strap them to gurneys, or just fine them? Sue a provider? Incarcerate the people who help?
They have "an avoidant nature" because we've criminalized abortions before, and we don't want what happened then to happen again. Or, at least, some of us don't. Do you genuinely believe that the issue should be revisited, or any form of criminalization repeated? Is it in the interest of the state to charge anyone with a crime here?
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