(April 6, 2022 at 11:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:00 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What do you mean? Coconuts are not fine for anybody, especially not for people with hightened risk of heart disease.

Gee, my cardiologist has never warned me against coconut.

And, by the way, heart disease is not diabetes.  

Try again to make some sense.

It is not surprising that your cardiologist has never warned you against coconuts, because most people do not eat coconuts at all.

People with type-2-diabetes have a much higher risk of heart disease. Cholesterol levels are poorly correlated with heart disease in people without type-2-diabetes, but they are strongly correlated with them in people with type-2-diabetes. Many studies are showing that even eggs are harmful to people with type-2-diabetes, and coconuts are certainly way worse than eggs.

(April 6, 2022 at 11:15 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:02 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Gee, my cardiologist has never warned me against coconut.

And, by the way, heart disease is not diabetes.  

Try again to make some sense.

It is not surprising that your cardiologist has never warned you against coconuts, because most people do not eat coconuts at all.

People with type-2-diabetes have a much higher risk of heart disease. Cholesterol levels are poorly correlated with heart disease in people without type-2-diabetes, but they are strongly correlated with them in people with type-2-diabetes. Many studies are showing that even eggs are harmful to people with type-2-diabetes, and coconuts are certainly way worse than eggs.

Pick a lane.

And where did you get your medical degree?

(April 6, 2022 at 11:16 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:15 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: It is not surprising that your cardiologist has never warned you against coconuts, because most people do not eat coconuts at all.

People with type-2-diabetes have a much higher risk of heart disease. Cholesterol levels are poorly correlated with heart disease in people without type-2-diabetes, but they are strongly correlated with them in people with type-2-diabetes. Many studies are showing that even eggs are harmful to people with type-2-diabetes, and coconuts are certainly way worse than eggs.

Pick a lane.

And where did you get your medical degree?

What does it mean to "pick a lane"? Why would you need a medical degree to talk about nutrition?

Are you discussing diabetes, as your OP would suggest, or heart disease?

You don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

(April 6, 2022 at 11:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Are you discussing diabetes, as your OP would suggest, or heart disease?

You don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

Coconuts cause heart disease by increasing your LDL cholesterol. And increasing LDL cholesterol is exceptionally dangerous in people who have type-2-diabetes. That's not rocket science.

(April 6, 2022 at 11:57 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: Are you discussing diabetes, as your OP would suggest, or heart disease?

You don't even know what you are talking about, do you?

Coconuts cause heart disease by increasing your LDL cholesterol. And increasing LDL cholesterol is exceptionally dangerous in people who have type-2-diabetes. That's not rocket science.

Because of coconut oil’s tendency to increase HDL, the cholesterol ratio improves and thus decreases risk of heart disease. People who traditionally consume large quantities of coconut oil as part of their ordinary diet have a very low incidence of heart disease and have normal blood cholesterol levels.

Coconut Benefits

While coconuts and coconut liquids are full of saturated fats, not all of it is bad for you. Much of the saturated fat content is lauric acid. This beneficial saturated fat can actually help boost your high-density lipoprotein, the "good" cholesterol that reduces your risk of heart disease. HDL cholesterol tends to bring LDL molecule levels down, by transporting them to your liver for deconstruction and removal. But the maximum amount of lauric acid from coconuts you can have before it stops being beneficial is unknown, the Harvard School of Public Health warns. Because too much saturated fat in general is harmful for heart health, don't go overboard on your servings of coconut products.

(April 7, 2022 at 12:04 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:57 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: Coconuts cause heart disease by increasing your LDL cholesterol. And increasing LDL cholesterol is exceptionally dangerous in people who have type-2-diabetes. That's not rocket science.

Because of coconut oil’s tendency to increase HDL, the cholesterol ratio improves and thus decreases risk of heart disease. People who traditionally consume large quantities of coconut oil as part of their ordinary diet have a very low incidence of heart disease and have normal blood cholesterol levels.

Coconut Benefits

While coconuts and coconut liquids are full of saturated fats, not all of it is bad for you. Much of the saturated fat content is lauric acid. This beneficial saturated fat can actually help boost your high-density lipoprotein, the "good" cholesterol that reduces your risk of heart disease. HDL cholesterol tends to bring LDL molecule levels down, by transporting them to your liver for deconstruction and removal. But the maximum amount of lauric acid from coconuts you can have before it stops being beneficial is unknown, the Harvard School of Public Health warns. Because too much saturated fat in general is harmful for heart health, don't go overboard on your servings of coconut products.

HDL most likely has no effect whatsoever on heart disease, or, if it does have, it is very little. We know that because most studies attempting to prove omega-3-acids reduce your risk of heart disease (and omega-3-acids basically convert LDL to HDL) find no effect whatsoever. SMaller amounts of alcohol also increase your HDL without significantly affecting your LDL, but rigorous studies generally fail to find that moderate drinking reduces your risk of heart disease. I am sorry you have been fooled by that.

(April 7, 2022 at 12:19 am)FlatAssembler Wrote:

(April 7, 2022 at 12:04 am)arewethereyet Wrote: Because of coconut oil’s tendency to increase HDL, the cholesterol ratio improves and thus decreases risk of heart disease. People who traditionally consume large quantities of coconut oil as part of their ordinary diet have a very low incidence of heart disease and have normal blood cholesterol levels.

Coconut Benefits

While coconuts and coconut liquids are full of saturated fats, not all of it is bad for you. Much of the saturated fat content is lauric acid. This beneficial saturated fat can actually help boost your high-density lipoprotein, the "good" cholesterol that reduces your risk of heart disease. HDL cholesterol tends to bring LDL molecule levels down, by transporting them to your liver for deconstruction and removal. But the maximum amount of lauric acid from coconuts you can have before it stops being beneficial is unknown, the Harvard School of Public Health warns. Because too much saturated fat in general is harmful for heart health, don't go overboard on your servings of coconut products.

HDL most likely has no effect whatsoever on heart disease, or, if it does have, it is very little. We know that because most studies attempting to prove omega-3-acids reduce your risk of heart disease (and omega-3-acids basically convert LDL to HDL) find no effect whatsoever. SMaller amounts of alcohol also increase your HDL without significantly affecting your LDL, but rigorous studies generally fail to find that moderate drinking reduces your risk of heart disease. I am sorry you have been fooled by that.

Gee, guess my cardiologist doesn't know anything. Guess I can cancel my appointment for later this month and just ask you for medical guidance.

I don't drink alcohol and haven't in decades.

Now, back to diabetes and the dangers of coconut...

By the way...are you high?   You seem to be since you can't follow your own thread.

(April 7, 2022 at 12:28 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(April 7, 2022 at 12:19 am)FlatAssembler Wrote: HDL most likely has no effect whatsoever on heart disease, or, if it does have, it is very little. We know that because most studies attempting to prove omega-3-acids reduce your risk of heart disease (and omega-3-acids basically convert LDL to HDL) find no effect whatsoever. SMaller amounts of alcohol also increase your HDL without significantly affecting your LDL, but rigorous studies generally fail to find that moderate drinking reduces your risk of heart disease. I am sorry you have been fooled by that.

Gee, guess my cardiologist doesn't know anything. Guess I can cancel my appointment for later this month and just ask you for medical guidance.

I don't drink alcohol and haven't in decades.

Now, back to diabetes and the dangers of coconut...

By the way...are you high?   You seem to be since you can't follow your own thread.

Whether HDL protects against heart disease is a very controversial topic, and I think your cardiologist will confirm that.

Well, I am not high. I am taking the antipsychotic risperidone, which is I guess the opposite of being high.

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(April 6, 2022 at 11:14 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:00 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What do you mean? Coconuts are not fine for anybody, especially not for people with hightened risk of heart disease.

That’s ridiculous, oversimplified nonsense.

How so?

(April 6, 2022 at 11:14 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 6, 2022 at 11:00 pm)FlatAssembler Wrote: What do you mean? Coconuts are not fine for anybody, especially not for people with hightened risk of heart disease.

That’s ridiculous, oversimplified nonsense.

Google scholar is your friend.

Also, it’s spelled “heightened.”