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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:18 pm
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(May 28, 2022 at 8:38 pm)chiknsld Wrote: I think I am starting to see where I went wrong. I basically said to myself, well if morality cannot come from evolution (biological evolution specifically) then evolution must come from a transcendent power. But my mistake is that I did not realize (very foolishly) that it could just have been a creation of social dynamics.
The above, for example, is not exactly the kind of thing I would expect to blindside someone who studied psychology. That you had to have this pointed out to you at AF is breathtaking. In fact, if you still have any of your textbooks, I might be able to suggest some rereading....as I'm entirely sure that you could not have gotten through so much as a basic intro without that being touched on.
To put it bluntly..... I think that you're a fraud - but it's never too late to back down from being an asshole and learn something. Whadda ya say? Would you like to start over with questions, rather than declarations, about morality, or morality as perceived by atheists? You're likely to find a samplers tray of views, many of which identical to your own. If you... personally..... fail to see how some specific moral statement x is instantiated absent any reference to gods - then just ask?
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:14 pm)Helios Wrote: (June 6, 2022 at 4:59 pm)chiknsld Wrote: Some people do not even consider psychology a legitimate science, let alone a soft science. If you have some sources you'd like me to look over feel free to share them. But again, I am not really concerned with depression so I suggest you provide something or move on. What some people consider science has no bearing on what is science. Because psychology is most definitely science. And why is it my job again to fix your ignorance? Oh yes it's not and if you are not concerned with it then stop talking about it 
What qualifies something as a science?
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:30 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm)chiknsld Wrote: (June 6, 2022 at 5:14 pm)Helios Wrote: What some people consider science has no bearing on what is science. Because psychology is most definitely science. And why is it my job again to fix your ignorance? Oh yes it's not and if you are not concerned with it then stop talking about it
What qualifies something as a science?
Anything that wasn't said by you.
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:31 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: Gentle Reminder:
You know I go the other way with it. I feed them until they choke. They can't help it, they're basically goldfish in people suits.
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:32 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:15 pm)chiknsld Wrote: (June 6, 2022 at 5:08 pm)Helios Wrote: No i didn't 
You did, and I don't have time for word games. You said that someone with a psychology degree needs to believe that depression is real otherwise said person had bad teachers. Thus, you are saying that teachers should brainwash their students.
Again, either provide sources that show where exactly depression occurs in the brain, or move on. Okay this is going to be my last reply to you
1 Nope I'm saying anybody who had a good education in psychology would obviously come to the conclusion depression is a real phenomenon because they understand the nuts and bolts of the science and come to the conclusion themselves. That's not brainwashing because it's telling you how to think scientifically not what to think. The fact you don't understand that is quite frankly disturbing.
2. The fact you neurological factors that contribute to depression just further backs my point and it's not my job to correct your ignorance
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:33 pm
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(June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm)chiknsld Wrote: (June 6, 2022 at 5:14 pm)Helios Wrote: What some people consider science has no bearing on what is science. Because psychology is most definitely science. And why is it my job again to fix your ignorance? Oh yes it's not and if you are not concerned with it then stop talking about it
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:34 pm
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Before long, you'll have irritated so many people with this gish gallop that you'll be stuck talking to me, about the subject you made a thread about.
Imagine the horror of that!
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:34 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:34 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Before long, you'll have irritated so many people with this gish gallop that you'll be stuck talking to me, about the subject you made a thread about.
Imagine the horror of that! Reported the troll
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RE: Evolution cannot account for morality
June 6, 2022 at 5:36 pm
(June 6, 2022 at 5:30 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: (June 6, 2022 at 5:29 pm)chiknsld Wrote: What qualifies something as a science?
Anything that wasn't said by you.
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