(August 25, 2022 at 9:41 am)Tomato Wrote: What you perceive as rebellion is simply my logical mind not falling prey to your religious delusions.

Ok, I ll send (quote) my message a second time here and I will want your logical mind to find an answer for it.


Ok here is the miracle.
And it is only 2 pictures from my desktop. Please look at these 2 pictures that I took just seconds ago.
The first of them is the search of the word "Dunya" = "World" in Arabic in Quran. I did that with a simple search using Google Chrome's search function
https://snipboard.io/zUMbh7.jpg
Please look at the number. It is 116

Now look at the search of the other word "Ahirah" = "Hereafter" 
https://snipboard.io/aM0gc3.jpg

 the number is the same 116,
There are lots of these kinds of related numbers in Quran. You can search for the whole list on the internet.
Quran was completed in 24 years. And it was sent one after another in parts, sometimes during the war, sometimes about a divorced woman, sometimes about daily life or inheritance. 
And also, Qur'an was brought together and made into a book years after the prophet's death, not in his life.

In this case, how can you explain this situation? These coincidences are too much for human brain.

(August 25, 2022 at 7:17 am)Believe Heart Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 4:14 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Let's run with that.  If your prophet is the real deal...I'll go to hell.  If he isn't the real deal I might still go to hell - any number of other gods and prophets could be maintaing their own little s&m dungeons in the hereafter.  Heavy on the s, light on the m..ofc.   Or, maybe, your prophet (or anyone's prophet...really) could be the real deal and I won't go to hell even so.

- to all of this..I say...and?  There are any number of ways the scenario can play out, you gave two... but none of them seem to have anything to do with me, particularly, and I doubt that I could stop some silly god from doing whatever it wanted to do with me.

This is where the story breaks. Since I claim that my prophet is true, this should be discussed first.

Okay.  I don't think Big Mo was a prophet of any kind, but, it wouldn't matter to me if he were.  Consider it discussed.

Quote:If it turns out to be true, no other alternatives need to be explored so there's no need for a whole lot of confusion.
And unlike the others, I have a holy book that I can stand behind.

All of you idol worshippers think that your books are uniquely magical.  

Quote:This is no simple claim.
For, if a book has come from God (Perfect), a deficiency or error cannot be accepted in it.
Now, when I tell you that there is no mistake in a 600-page book with very serious scope, if I can prove it, you must accept that the Prophet I believe is real.

Oh, it's simple alright....so simple, in fact, that you would attempt to prove what is not true, in order to demonstrate what the truth of that claim could not certify.

Between huffing and puffing about numerology and djinn, apparently.

(August 25, 2022 at 9:33 am)Angrboda Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 7:32 am)Believe Heart Wrote: Nope, obviously you didn't read Quran, you only have read your biases.
We can't have read the same book, because I see a clear miracle, you don't see anything.

Do you believe that his not reading the Quran perceptively is the only possible reason his experience could differ from yours?

I am enthusiastically trying to show you lots of lots of miracles I witnessed while reading Quran. I just can not believe how a human being can not be thrilled with them.

There aren't any miracles. Your subjective interpretation prefers to perceive the Quran fairy tale as other than a myth, nothing more.

(August 25, 2022 at 9:50 am)Believe Heart Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 9:36 am)Angrboda Wrote: Can you demonstrate that djinns exist apart from your book?

Sure. 
They are around us, they live with us but it is kinda they are in a parallel universe (whose coordinates exactly the same with us).
They see us, we can't see them (Araf 27).
They normally only can whisper ideas in our minds (sometimes we really think those ideas are ours) but actually they are from them. 
However, under some circumstances, they touch our lives physically.
The main reason for it is black magic. Some people (generally people with innate or acquired abilities to communicate them) make dark agreements with them. And use their abilities to harm you.
You can see tons of videos in Mr. Ballens (not a religious man at all) channel about people who are suffering from those experiences.

First, people having certain ideas in their mind is not evidence that those ideas came from djinn, or even that they came from anywhere but the person's mind.

I'm not sure what you are claiming about MrBallen's videos. Could you be more specific -- his channel seems filled with an odd grab bag of remarkable stories. I'll tell you in advance, however, that people claiming supernatural experiences is very poor evidence for those supernatural things as we know that many times people are wrong or mistaken about such experience.

I'm not seeing much at all of a demonstration of their existence. I have as much reason to believe in Thor and his hammer based upon evidence of this low quality.

(August 25, 2022 at 10:03 am)Believe Heart Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 9:33 am)Angrboda Wrote: Do you believe that his not reading the Quran perceptively is the only possible reason his experience could differ from yours?

I am enthusiastically trying to show you lots of lots of miracles I witnessed while reading Quran. I just can not believe how a human being can not be thrilled with them.

(August 25, 2022 at 10:03 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 7:17 am)Believe Heart Wrote: This is where the story breaks. Since I claim that my prophet is true, this should be discussed first.

Okay.  I don't think Big Mo was a prophet of any kind, but, it wouldn't matter to me if he were.  Consider it discussed.

Quote:If it turns out to be true, no other alternatives need to be explored so there's no need for a whole lot of confusion.
And unlike the others, I have a holy book that I can stand behind.

All of you idol worshippers think that your books are uniquely magical.  

Quote:This is no simple claim.
For, if a book has come from God (Perfect), a deficiency or error cannot be accepted in it.
Now, when I tell you that there is no mistake in a 600-page book with very serious scope, if I can prove it, you must accept that the Prophet I believe is real.

Oh, it's simple alright....so simple, in fact, that you would attempt to prove what is not true, in order to demonstrate what the truth of that claim could not certify.

From now on, I will continue  by opening a new topic to make clear conversations by Explaining Quran, instead of talking about people whom you mention continuously.

(August 25, 2022 at 10:03 am)Tomato Wrote: There aren't any miracles. Your subjective interpretation prefers to perceive the Quran fairy tale as other than a myth, nothing more.

Count it, like I do, use math mother of the science.

(August 25, 2022 at 10:07 am)arewethereyet Wrote:

(August 25, 2022 at 10:03 am)Believe Heart Wrote: I am enthusiastically trying to show you lots of lots of miracles I witnessed while reading Quran. I just can not believe how a human being can not be thrilled with them.

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Yeah this is exactly how I feel in the face of your insensitive attitude.

He read a book, and he liked it. IDK, maybe wherever our new friend is from that's considered to be a miracle?