(December 4, 2022 at 2:38 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Ofc Huggy would show up and say equally ludicrous shit.  Fuckers in the same cult that Kanye fell into, lol.

There is nothing Huggy won't twist .....

(December 3, 2022 at 5:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: 1) While not necessary, the atomic bombings are arguably justifiable from a military perspective -- the atomic bombings killed about 150,000 immediately, whereas had the invasion gone forward, at least five times that number would have died on both the Japanese and American sides.

Additionally, the submarine blockade and subsequent aerial mining of ports and interisland shipping lanes was projected to bring on a famine that would have cost millions of lives. In a sense it's a real-world example of the Trolley Problem. In both cases, the bombings probably saved more Japanese lives than they took.

And of course the Allies, who excoriated Nazi Germany for the terror-bombing of Britain, Yugoslavia, and others, turned to the same weapon in both ETO and PTO, and were therefore indeed hypocritical morally, even if they were pragmatic militarily.

2) Hitler loved his dog, sure, but that little bit of good, even added up with the other little bits of good he may have had in him, do not outweigh the massive evils his henchmen, armies, or the bureaucrats running the Endlosung perpetrated under his orders, or the Einsatzgruppen, or the foisting of war upon peoples across the world.

3) Whether Kanye West is a troll, a mentally-ill person, or a True Believer™, he's a fucking idiot.

I used to work with veterans and others when I lived in Sydney.

One particularly interesting old gent I got to know was named Fritz. He was Dutch and was a young boy in what is now Indonesia when the Japanese invaded.

He spent several years in a Japanese internment camp.

I remember him quite specifically mentioning the nervousness of the guards as news of setback after setback for the Japanese military came in.

The guards grew more brutal each time and there were plans, overheard from the guards, to slaughter the remaining prisoners before they retreated.

The dropping of the atomic bombs and the Japanese surrender saved the lives of everyone in the camp, and who knows how many others?

Quote:Where did I say it was OK? I said have the same energy with these other people that committed atrocious acts, yet.somehow ya'll are capable of all this nuance when it comes to Truman murdering innocent people.

There is no one in history that in terms of ideological goals and sheer methodical callousness as Hitler. Truman doesn't even come close despite some of his racist views Truman would never have invoked Lebensraum on a global scale. Truman had to make hard choices to win a war while nothing Hitler did has similar justifications. There is no nuance to Hitler's actions. So we don't need to have the "Same Energy"

(December 4, 2022 at 3:33 am)Helios Wrote:

Quote:Where did I say it was OK? I said have the same energy with these other people that committed atrocious acts, yet.somehow ya'll are capable of all this nuance when it comes to Truman murdering innocent people.

There is no one in history that in terms of ideological goals and sheer methodical callousness as Hitler. Truman doesn't even come close despite some of his racist views Truman would never have invoked Lebensraum on a global scale. Truman had to make hard choices to win a war while nothing Hitler did has similar justifications. There is no nuance to Hitler's actions. So we don't need to have the "Same Energy"

The only thing likable about Hitler is that he's dead.

An absolute piece of shit of a man.

The same can be said for Stalin.

(December 4, 2022 at 4:07 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(December 4, 2022 at 3:33 am)Helios Wrote: There is no one in history that in terms of ideological goals and sheer methodical callousness as Hitler. Truman doesn't even come close despite some of his racist views Truman would never have invoked Lebensraum on a global scale. Truman had to make hard choices to win a war while nothing Hitler did has similar justifications. There is no nuance to Hitler's actions. So we don't need to have the "Same Energy"

The only thing likable about Hitler is that he's dead.

An absolute piece of shit of a man.

The same can be said for Stalin.

Truth 

To backtrack a bit:

@Huggy Bear

Quote:I understand what Kayne is trying to say, The thing is he has horrible delivery. Ye stated "I see good things about Hitler, Every human being has value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler.”.  A sentiment that aligns almost exactly with the Anne Frank quote “In spite of everything I still believe that people are really good at heart.".

Let’s parse that a bit.

I agree that you understand what Kanye is trying to say, to the point where you understand that it’s so repugnant that you’re trying to turn what he said around so it’s not so awful. This is why you stopped the underlining before you got to ‘…especially Hitler’. This is pretty crucial as it show that not only  does Ye think Hitler has some good, but that he’s especially good, better than the rest of…well…all of us. You’ll forgive the expression, but what you’re doing by glossing over that bit is attempting to whitewash what Ye meant. Pretty scummy.

And, for the record, Anne Frank was wrong. People are not ‘really good at heart’. Most people are bastard-coated bastards with a bastard filling. I find it interesting, though, that the best person you chose to support Ye’s nightmarishly anti-Semitic views is a Jewish teenager.

Boru

Yeah, use one of the people Hitler killed to argue Hitler wasn't pure evil......That's twisted

Hitler brought fuck all to the world. One of the greatest tragedies in history Henry James Tandey spared him and Georg Elser failed at assassinating him.

(December 4, 2022 at 3:02 am)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(December 3, 2022 at 5:12 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: 1) While not necessary, the atomic bombings are arguably justifiable from a military perspective -- the atomic bombings killed about 150,000 immediately, whereas had the invasion gone forward, at least five times that number would have died on both the Japanese and American sides.

Additionally, the submarine blockade and subsequent aerial mining of ports and interisland shipping lanes was projected to bring on a famine that would have cost millions of lives. In a sense it's a real-world example of the Trolley Problem. In both cases, the bombings probably saved more Japanese lives than they took.

And of course the Allies, who excoriated Nazi Germany for the terror-bombing of Britain, Yugoslavia, and others, turned to the same weapon in both ETO and PTO, and were therefore indeed hypocritical morally, even if they were pragmatic militarily.

2) Hitler loved his dog, sure, but that little bit of good, even added up with the other little bits of good he may have had in him, do not outweigh the massive evils his henchmen, armies, or the  bureaucrats running the  Endlosung perpetrated under his orders, or the Einsatzgruppen, or the foisting of war upon peoples across the world.

3) Whether Kanye West is a troll, a mentally-ill person, or a True Believer™, he's a fucking idiot.

I used to work with veterans and others when I lived in Sydney.

One particularly interesting old gent I got to know was named Fritz.  He was Dutch and was a young boy in what is now Indonesia when the Japanese invaded.

He spent several years in a Japanese internment camp.

I remember him quite specifically mentioning the nervousness of the guards as news of setback after setback for the Japanese military came in.

The guards grew more brutal each time and there were plans, overheard from the guards, to slaughter the remaining prisoners before they retreated.

The dropping of the atomic bombs and the Japanese surrender saved the lives of everyone in the camp, and who knows how many others?

I'm still forced to question how much the atomic bomb influenced Japan to surrender.  What I've heard is that Japan was more afraid of the USSR (which is understandable when you look at what they did to Eastern Europe for the next 50 years) and having to surrender to them, even with atomic weapons being used.  So, if those deaths still could have been prevented without using nuclear weapons, wouldn't that be the preferable option?

I have heard the Soviet theory and I don't buy it.

If he won't get/stay on treatment then my position is let him go off the rails. His choice. Just hope he does not drag to many of the sycophants with him.

It will be hilarious if KK has to start paying him alimony. It is Cali after all.