(December 4, 2022 at 11:51 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Last I checked, Kanye wasn't trying to justify why innocent people deserve to die, but YOU and a few others were.

No, Kanye was just lauding the one guy who happened to murder eleven million innocents with his orders. He wasn't trying to justify it, probably because there is no justifying Hitler's orders.

Indeed saying Truman had a tactical justification for his actions due to imperial japan's unwillingness to surrender when given a chance as unpleasant as those actions were and as flawed as Truman himself was. Kanye's opinions on Hitler trying to say Hitler a man who murdered millions for no other reason than their ethnicity etc is indefensible. So this comparison fails. Kanye's a POS. Hitler is an irredeemable monster. Truman is both a product of his age and culture and was forced to make hard and unpleasant decisions.

(December 5, 2022 at 7:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(December 4, 2022 at 11:51 pm)Huggy Bear Wrote: Last I checked, Kanye wasn't trying to justify why innocent people deserve to die, but YOU and a few others were.

No, Kanye was just lauding the one guy who happened to murder eleven million innocents with his orders. He wasn't trying to justify it, probably because there is no justifying Hitler's orders.

And I'm saying there are plenty of people you can focus on other than a guy whom you all know has mental illness. For instance, Germany was broke after WW1, Do yall know that George W Bush's grandfather Prescott was one of the people that helped fund the Nazis rise to power? The extent of his involvement is still classified...

Not only was he involved in Hitlers rise to power, he was aiding the enemy, but y'all want to talk about how bad (mentally ill) Kanye is...

Quote:And I'm saying there are plenty of people you focus on other than a guy whom you all know has mental illness.

Mental illness isn't an excuse for fucking lauding Hilter. This whataboutism is getting desperate...

Quote:For instance, Germany was broke after WW1, Do yall know that it was George W Bush grandfather Prescott was one of the people that helped fund the Nazis rise to power? The extent of his involvement is still classified...

Sins of the father much .......

And do honestly think anyone on this thread has a positive opinion of the Bushes? 

Quote:How about publicizing that?

That has fuck all to do with anything. Name one serious American millionaire in the 1930s and Early 40s  who didn't invest in the German economy.

(December 6, 2022 at 12:33 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: And I'm saying there are plenty of people you can focus on other than a guy whom you all know has mental illness. For instance, Germany was broke after WW1, Do yall know that George W Bush's grandfather Prescott was one of the people that helped fund the Nazis rise to power? The extent of his involvement is still classified...

Not only was he involved in Hitlers rise to power, he was aiding the enemy, but y'all want to talk about how bad (mentally ill) Kanye is...

Do you know that what you are doing is called whataboutism?

(December 6, 2022 at 1:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(December 6, 2022 at 12:33 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: And I'm saying there are plenty of people you can focus on other than a guy whom you all know has mental illness. For instance, Germany was broke after WW1, Do yall know that George W Bush's grandfather Prescott was one of the people that helped fund the Nazis rise to power? The extent of his involvement is still classified...

Not only was he involved in Hitlers rise to power, he was aiding the enemy, but y'all want to talk about how bad (mentally ill) Kanye is...

Do you know that what you are doing is called whataboutism?

No, what I'm doing is ignoring the powerless mentally ill guy and focusing on people who actually DID something.

(December 6, 2022 at 1:12 am)Huggy Bear Wrote:

(December 6, 2022 at 1:04 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Do you know that what you are doing is called whataboutism?

No, what I'm doing is ignoring the powerless mentally ill guy and focusing on people who actually DID something.

That is whataboutism.
If you want to talk about Prescott Bush, or someone else, then open a topic about him, here we talk about Ye - it is simple as that.

The most important difference between Prescott Bush and Ye (at least for the purposes of this thread) is that Ye hasn’t been six feet under for half a century.

Also, are we seriously going to consider the guy who, up until a few months ago, was a multi-billionaire, and, more recently, dined with a former President/current Republican presidential frontrunner powerless?

Quote:No, what I'm doing is ignoring the powerless mentally ill guy and focusing on people who actually DID something.

1. Kanye West powerless? Are you freaking kidding me! Powerless people don't get invited to dinner with an EX president....


2. Infantizing mentally ill people by arguing they can't be held responsible for the shit they say is frankly insulting really. Mental illness is not a get excuse for asshole behavior or asshole opinions.


3. And no what your doing is the definition of Whataboutism trying to steer the conversation away from the indefensible actions of Kanye by bringing up someone else's wrongdoing as if that somehow negates what he said. And Kanye did do something he praised a fucking genocidal fascist dictator who killed millions. That's doing something irrespective of the actions of anyone else and it's totally just to call him out for it.

(December 6, 2022 at 1:31 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: The most important difference between Prescott Bush and Ye (at least for the purposes of this thread) is that Ye hasn’t been six feet under for half a century.

Also, are we seriously going to consider the guy who, up until a few months ago, was a multi-billionaire, and, more recently, dined with a former President/current Republican presidential frontrunner powerless?

Ok,... But Ye is speaking on someone who has been dead longer.... What's your point?