(July 26, 2023 at 1:48 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 26, 2023 at 8:49 am)emjay Wrote: Unfortunately she has already been disabled a lot by her illness, for instance having to install a stairlift in her home, but what she has is ME not MS; they sounded similar based on what you described, and I often tend to get those two mixed up sadly, so, sorry for that misunderstanding.

Isn't M.E the one with 'light sensitivity' symptom?
Pretty harsh condition if it's M.E.

I don't know about light sensitivity, though I wouldn't be surprised, but it's mainly chronic fatigue and a heart rate that goes through the roof at the slightest exertion. I think I'll leave it there though if that's OK... I don't think she minds me talking about it but it still feels a bit uncomfortable.

Oh good god, light sensitivity! As a ginger, I know I'm ready to chop the hands off a motherfucker if he makes me stand out in the sun. This entire conversation is ridiculous, and winter is a piece of shit. An islamist feels vulnerable, and so he retreats into what he believes his audience will let him bullshit them about.

Winters faith has nothing to do with anything other than winter being a miserable dick....who cant stop looking at other miserable peoples dicks.

(July 26, 2023 at 1:27 pm)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 26, 2023 at 8:49 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Yeah, I guess there really was no other way for your god to know whether you'd be a philanthropist or a school shooter besides giving you ms.

I've been thinking of finding some deer ticks so I can give my kids tb, see if they rob a liquor store or something.

No, he knows everything.

Nevermind, I guess it's the wrong time and place for levity. Whatever else is going on I just wouldn't wish something like ME or MS on anyone.

(July 26, 2023 at 3:14 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Oh good god, light sensitivity!  As a ginger, I know I'm ready to chop the hands off a motherfucker if he makes me stand out in the sun.  This entire conversation is ridiculous, and winter is a piece of shit.  An islamist feels vulnerable, and so he retreats into what he believes his audience will let him bullshit them about.

Winters faith has nothing to do with anything other than winter being a miserable dick....who cant stop looking at other miserable peoples dicks.

Actually even when I had no symptoms I felt vulnerable: the human body is really fragile compared to stronger elements like steel and iron.

A careful look at what the cold and the sun would do to your body is enough

Consuming alcohol and drugs to forget this fact is not an option also: it's only an illusion you yourself create to escape from looking the fact in the eyes.

My faith help me to digest the fact better,

(July 26, 2023 at 3:49 pm)emjay Wrote: Nevermind, I guess it's the wrong time and place for levity. Whatever else is going on I just wouldn't wish something like ME or MS on anyone.

Nobody wish them, I never wished for M.S. But how else would humans see that they need a hand to grab, relieving them from the pain?

I thank God for making me humble through this M.S, to thank him and also thank whoever helped me and people like me, let it be the inventor(s) of Interferon, the researchers who studied this condition, or the people who understood what I have.

God doesn't have feelings like ours, he is wise and so practical.

I remember this verse from the Quran, where God explains himself:

Quote:Surah 42, The Quran:
https://quran.com/42?startingVerse=27

(27) Had Allah given abundant provisions to ˹all˺ His servants, they would have certainly transgressed throughout the land. But He sends down whatever He wills in perfect measure. He is truly All-Aware, All-Seeing of His servants.

You're right, there's no other way to teach people. That's why we send our kids to public torture centers and drop them into pandemic zones. It's the wise and practical solution.

(July 28, 2023 at 2:46 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You're right, there's no other way to teach people.  That's why we send our kids to public torture centers and drop them into pandemic zones.  It's the wise and practical solution.

People never learn but through pain; even non-Muslim philosephers like Aristotle said:

Quote:Learning is not child's play; we cannot learn without pain

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/47164-l...thout-pain

Be thankful that you have pain nerves, otherwise you'll never know when an object is even harmful to you.

(July 28, 2023 at 2:44 am)WinterHold Wrote:

(July 26, 2023 at 3:49 pm)emjay Wrote: Nevermind, I guess it's the wrong time and place for levity. Whatever else is going on I just wouldn't wish something like ME or MS on anyone.

Nobody wish them, I never wished for M.S. But how else would humans see that they need a hand to grab, relieving them from the pain?

My comment above doesn't really make sense on it's own. I just said something lighthearted to hopefully lighten the mood, but it didn't feel right, so I redacted it.

Does it not strike you as unfair though, that through random circumstance or Godly whim, some people, like yourself, suffer far more than others in order to be 'tested'? What it strikes me as is capricious, how could you ever trust such a god? And if the OT is anything to go by, that capriciousness, doesn't just apply to individuals but to whole groups; whole peoples destroyed for the sins of a few, or as pawns in someone else's moral lessons.

Quote:I thank God for making me humble through this M.S, to thank him and also thank whoever helped me and people like me, let it be the inventor(s) of Interferon, the researchers who studied this condition, or the people who understood what I have.

I am truly sorry about your condition, but thanking and worshipping the god you believe gave it to you, on a whim no less, makes no sense. You owe yourself more than that. Be thankful to the people around you, who have helped you and studied the condition... that makes sense... but to be thankful to the unseen hand you believe gave you the condition in the first place... makes no sense at all. Like I said before, I think love and respect (or gratitude and worship) should be earned, not just given by default to an assumed creator.

Quote:God doesn't have feelings like ours, he is wise and so practical.

I remember this verse from the Quran, where God explains himself:

Quote:Surah 42, The Quran:
https://quran.com/42?startingVerse=27

(27) Had Allah given abundant provisions to ˹all˺ His servants, they would have certainly transgressed throughout the land. But He sends down whatever He wills in perfect measure. He is truly All-Aware, All-Seeing of His servants.

That quote still does not explain the arbitrary/random allocation of 'provisions' in this sense. Nature alone far better explains the apparent lottery of misery in our world, rather than some unseen hand capriciously orchestrating it all for the moral guidance of some at the expense of others.

Imma look into getting my kids some polio, see if that improves their math scores.