(September 17, 2023 at 1:35 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Well, some, no no! Plenty of people are saying Trump won't go to prison...

Well, at least if he is convicted on at least one charge, Trump can be barred from running for president.

Regardless, Trump should have already been barred from running for president.

(Bold mine)

That depends on the charge. With a very few exceptions, a criminal conviction is not a bar from seeking or holding office.

Boru

Well, that is just what I heard. I did figure some that there was more complicated in that regard.

(September 17, 2023 at 1:33 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Well, some, no no! Plenty of people are saying Trump won't go to prison...

Well, at least if he is convicted on at least one charge, Trump can be barred from running for president.

Regardless, Trump should have already been barred from running for president.

*can be* doesn't translate to *will be*

Unfortunately.

Yeah, I know. Still, he has pretty much done many bad things. I know he is mentally ill and all, but other than that, I do not know why he would want to regain the power of the presidency, just to do bad things to the USA...

(September 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Well, some, no no! Plenty of people are saying Trump won't go to prison...

Well, at least if he is convicted on at least one charge, Trump can be barred from running for president.

That depends. If the charge is insurrection, sedition, or treason, you are correct. No other crimes carry that ban, to my knowledge.

(September 17, 2023 at 2:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Well, some, no no! Plenty of people are saying Trump won't go to prison...

Well, at least if he is convicted on at least one charge, Trump can be barred from running for president.

That depends. If the charge is insurrection, sedition, or treason, you are correct. No other crimes carry that ban, to my knowledge.

With that, I learned some time after making the post you quoted that he might be barred from running for president IF he is convicted on the insurrection counts.

I mean the other two things you mentioned make sense too, but yeah, I must have missed something when I first heard that.

(September 17, 2023 at 2:40 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 2:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: That depends. If the charge is insurrection, sedition, or treason, you are correct. No other crimes carry that ban, to my knowledge.

With that, I learned some time after making the post you quoted that he might be barred from running for president IF he is convicted on the insurrection counts.

I mean the other two things you mentioned make sense too, but yeah, I must have missed something when I first heard that.

The bar on insurrectionsts holding office is Constitutional. The bar on traitors or rebels holding office are in the laws barring those acts, iirc.

(September 17, 2023 at 2:37 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 1:31 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: Well, some, no no! Plenty of people are saying Trump won't go to prison...

Well, at least if he is convicted on at least one charge, Trump can be barred from running for president.

That depends. If the charge is insurrection, sedition, or treason, you are correct. No other crimes carry that ban, to my knowledge.

The pity is that Trump isn’t charged with any of those three. If he’s convicted on the 6 January stuff, the prosecutors will have to demonstrate that the riot qualified as ‘insurrection or rebellion’.

Remember - Eugene Debs ran for President while he was serving jail time for sedition. Got nearly a million votes.

Boru

I do not know, I mean, Trump is being tried for 91 charges, which do have to do with sedition and the insurrection, by the way. With what happened on January 6 and how serious it is, how do you not get charged for insurrection and sedition for something like that?

Plus, most of those charges, if not, all, are felony charges. Some here do not believe Trump might go to jail, but felony charges do carry a jail sentence. So if he is convicted on these felony charges, chances are, he is going to jail.

Are Melania or Barron going to come out of seclusion?

(September 17, 2023 at 5:45 pm)brewer Wrote: Are Melania or Barron going to come out of seclusion?

I think that if Trump actually does get jailed, we will hear the biggest sigh of relief coming from Mar-a-lago.

I actually feel a bit sorry for the kid.  What a textbook case he is for damage done to children by fucked up parents.

(September 17, 2023 at 5:49 pm)arewethereyet Wrote:

(September 17, 2023 at 5:45 pm)brewer Wrote: Are Melania or Barron going to come out of seclusion?

I think that if Trump actually does get jailed, we will hear the biggest sigh of relief coming from Mar-al-ago.

I actually feel a bit sorry for the kid.  What a textbook case he is for damage done to children by fucked up parents.

I read that he and mommy are searching for colleges. That could either end up a good or bad thing. Maybe he'll attend a college in Europe (not Britain), I think that would lessen any potential bad impact from daddies fucked up politics and scandals.

(September 17, 2023 at 5:39 pm)ShinyCrystals Wrote: I do not know, I mean, Trump is being tried for 91 charges, which do have to do with sedition and the insurrection, by the way. With what happened on January 6 and how serious it is, how do you not get charged for insurrection and sedition for something like that?

Plus, most of those charges, if not, all, are felony charges. Some here do not believe Trump might go to jail, but felony charges do carry a jail sentence. So if he is convicted on these felony charges, chances are, he is going to jail.

Prosecutors tend to file charges that have the best chance of getting a conviction. I agree with you completely that Trump’s behaviour on 6 January was both insurrectionist and seditious. But those are very high bars for a prosecutor to overcome. Trump has a much better chance of being convicted for conspiracy than those two.

This is known as the ‘fight the fights you can win’ strategy.

Boru