Well, you do speak the language.

(November 19, 2023 at 10:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Well, you do speak the language.

And, more importantly, correctly. My hillbilly cousins speak something that is all English words but with special definitions were Cuz needs a new word. Our reunions are sonically horrifying.

(November 18, 2023 at 6:11 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 17, 2023 at 11:13 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Learning philosophy (maybe in a class, maybe not) may have great benefits, but they are not of the transactional, practical type. Expecting to get that sort of thing from a college class is not reasonable. The kind of benefits that one actually might get are not the kind of thing that practical societies tend to value.

When our Ethics Committee votes it has life and death benefits. They would be rather "practical".

And if you're brain-dead, having passed two tests for that, and someone is trying to keep you "alive" which happens all the time, more often in families "of faith" who really fundamentally don't buy that you will be going to heaven, the machines would be turned off. You really have no clue what happens in the real world, do you ?

(November 20, 2023 at 6:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 18, 2023 at 6:11 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: When our Ethics Committee votes it has life and death benefits. They would be rather "practical".

And if you're brain-dead, having passed two tests for that, and someone is trying to keep you "alive" which happens all the time, more often in families "of faith" who really fundamentally don't buy that you will be going to heaven, the machines would be turned off. You really have no clue what happens in the real world, do you ?

I doubt there is much experience with real live people.  Despite all the name-dropping, that is.

My problem with modern philosophy can be traced to both modern philosophers and people in general.

People in general will often not listen to new ideas, because they've been conditioned to believe in a universal right and wrong and won't consider new ideas because they're too weird or bizarre. Let's say I proposed the idea of consensual cannibalism to someone, more often than not, they'll problem simply be disgusted by this idea, and neglect it because it's "weird". They're too used to a comfortable life where nobody questions anything

My problems with modern "philosophers" are
1 - Usually their ideas have already been implemented by people who are smarter than them.
2 - They see their ideas as revolutionary, but will likely not document these ideas except for on social media such as Twitter or Facebook.
3 - They won't even consider others points of views, and will make shitty Ad Hominem arguments to avoid productive conversation.

I would say, nowadays, unless we can truly have productive debates regarding new philosophies that benefit our society in some way, we may as well erase the idea of philosophy entirely.

(November 19, 2023 at 9:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Purdue

Class of 1996 - MS

(November 20, 2023 at 6:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:

(November 18, 2023 at 6:11 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: When our Ethics Committee votes it has life and death benefits. They would be rather "practical".

And if you're brain-dead, having passed two tests for that, and someone is trying to keep you "alive" which happens all the time, more often in families "of faith" who really fundamentally don't buy that you will be going to heaven, the machines would be turned off. You really have no clue what happens in the real world, do you ?

Yes, they really don't believe it, not deep down inside at least.

(November 21, 2023 at 11:18 am)Nanny Wrote:

(November 19, 2023 at 9:42 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Purdue

Class of 1996 - MS

I was there from 1990 to 2004. Got a Masters in History and a couple of bachelors. Thanks, Taxpayers!

(November 21, 2023 at 11:44 am)Ahriman Wrote:

(November 20, 2023 at 6:00 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: And if you're brain-dead, having passed two tests for that, and someone is trying to keep you "alive" which happens all the time, more often in families "of faith" who really fundamentally don't buy that you will be going to heaven, the machines would be turned off. You really have no clue what happens in the real world, do you ?

Yes, they really don't believe it, not deep down inside at least.

It's almost always "Do everything" even when it's not possible they would survive. 
If they really *believed*, it would be "let them go and meet God, ASAP".

(November 21, 2023 at 1:00 am)Varium Wrote: My problems with modern "philosophers" are
1 - Usually their ideas have already been implemented by people who are smarter than them.
2 - They see their ideas as revolutionary, but will likely not document these ideas except for on social media such as Twitter or Facebook.
3 - They won't even consider others points of views, and will make shitty Ad Hominem arguments to avoid productive conversation.

I certainly agree that these three points are bad things.

I wonder which modern philosophers you're thinking about. I'm no expert, but I can't think of any of the well-known ones who match the above descriptions.