Quote:Faith is personal. It's not dictated by birth.

That is simply fucking ridiculous.

And blacks are xtians for the same reason that white trash idiots in Alabama trailer parks are xtians. They were born into it.

(December 26, 2011 at 2:50 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

(December 26, 2011 at 2:47 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Bible looks down on "people of colour"?
And how did you figure this out?
Besides, the bible allows for the taking, usage and etc. of slaves, but does not specify from which people those slaves can be taken, so it can also be plausible for a black person to own a european slave.

Besides, if you don't want to believe in Jesus, your call. Really, I've seen the Maoris painting the Virgin Mary as a coal black woman with an equally black baby. In truth, christianity has been longer in the east than it was in the west, so how does it come that you somewhat make it a "white" thing anyways?
Even amongst my people, there was a significant nestorian christian population some 600 years ago.
Christianity is something that is far from racism, unlike it's predecessor, Judaism.

Did you miss the part where I was talking about the US?? Pay attention. In this country, slaves were black and white christians owned them. We have NEVER had a black person own a white in this country dipshit!

Okay.
But they technically could. Christianity is not the reason why people own slaves, slavery is.
And they abolished it afterwards.

Quote:Epic, called a troll by someone who constantly hijacks threads and posts half truths.

I wasn't even going to reply to this blatant slander, but whatever. I throw my words on the ground, those who pick them up, do so, those who don't, leave them and run away.
Whatever you think my "half-truths" are, I equally believe your truths to be false.

Yeah all my Spanish family are Catholic by choice.

Hmm... I guess all those stories of people converting are damn lies... Since faith is dictated by birth and all... Honestly logic is not in some people's vocabulary. Have fun with your circle jerk.

(December 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm)amkerman Wrote: Hmm... I guess all those stories of people converting are damn lies... Since faith is dictated by birth and all... Honestly logic is not in some people's vocabulary. Have fun with your circle jerk.

I think he's talking about why the blacks are worshipping the religion of their former captives or something.
But the thing is, christianity does not belong to their former slavers or masters.
In fact, most came to America on spanish ships, I think, so they should have been catholic, whereas most are now(at least the ones in the US) are protestant.

(December 26, 2011 at 3:13 pm)amkerman Wrote: Hmm... I guess all those stories of people converting are damn lies... Since faith is dictated by birth and all... Honestly logic is not in some people's vocabulary. Have fun with your circle jerk.

Granted may convert, but no doubt whatsoever more are born into it.

Or do you think it's coincidence that Spain and Italy are almost entirely Catholic and the UK and American Evangelical?

Is it a coincidence that Bosnia&Herzegovina has both catholic and orthodox populations on the top of mussulmans?

When you acknowledge people can convert the statement "faith is dictated by birth" immediately beces false. Maybe what you were looking for is, "religion of children at birth is usually determined by the religion of their parents". "People rarely change religion throughout their lives." But what do I know, maybe you meant what cinjin said.

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Something along what I previously stated may provide a clue as to why so many blacks in America are christians...

(December 26, 2011 at 2:51 pm)amkerman Wrote: Faith is personal. It's not dictated by birth.

Birth place highly influences your religion.In countries such as Saudi Arabia,if you'll somehow manage to become an atheist or convert to other religion,you'll be stoned or in a better case shunned.

Quote:The Bible clearly looks down on people of color and even goes as far as to condone and even approve of beating and/or killing your slave should you so feel the need.

In biblical times,slaves were actually seldom black in the sense of negroid.Hagar,mother of Ishmael,father of the Arabs,was a slave and Egyptian. However you're right essence; Christianity is racist in practice,whereas racism has never been a feature of Islam.

Quote:Christians are the MOST guilty of hauling Africans out of their homes, putting them in chains, beating them, raping them, separating them from their families and then going to church on Sunday and thanking their good Lord for those privileges.

Actually that's highly arguable. Christian slavers often as not bough their slaves from Muslims. Slavery was a common feature of Islamic societies from the beginning of Islam and continued in some until well into the twentieth century.


PS your argument is also tu quoque (look it up)