(July 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm)Polaris Wrote: The former. Pushing the beliefs of others away is no better than telling a homosexual they must do what straight people do only in private. Both are about expression and I will be damned if I ever live in a society that prevents either of those two expressions.

If they want to pray, they can. Privately. However, the school cannot set aside an official time for prayer. Individuals can do whatever they want, the school system cannot. Is that so horrifying to you?

(July 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Polaris Wrote: Because some other asshole like myself probably did the same thing in the past.

Nah, some idiot tried to deflect his bullshit argument towards racism, hitler, whatever, just as I said, mere deflection.

Care to tellme what people's skin colour have to do with the OP? This is the third strike.

The school doesn't let people have sex during school hours. Your analogy still sucks.

(July 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm)Polaris Wrote: The former. Pushing the beliefs of others away is no better than telling a homosexual they must do what straight people do only in private. Both are about expression and I will be damned if I ever live in a society that prevents either of those two expressions.

Enjoy your damnation.

(July 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote:

(July 14, 2012 at 4:44 pm)Polaris Wrote: Because some other asshole like myself probably did the same thing in the past.

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I wish I were....

You have not replied to my statement.
Tell me, should I encourage my nephews to call me a cracker? Is that their birth-right? Should I teach them they are better than me solely because they were born a different colour? Or would it be better to teach them that I am their uncle, a human being and deserving of the same respect regardless of my skin colour?
Which do you think is the better lesson? Which do you think would produce a fair-minded, decent human being?

If you haven't a decent answer feel free to shut the fuck up.

Well I don't actually use that word, I generally just speak against the general hateful attitude of the Western Caucasians. Their birth right is to assert their own will in not being subservient like the Right (now I have seen the Left is joining them) wants them to be.

Well do you actively seek to suppress their culture? Deport them? Disenfranchise them? I'm guessing the answer to all those questions is no.

See the thing about making bigoted comments as I did to Mockingbird allows for quite a few exceptions. They would not generally be bigoted if there were not quite a few exceptions to the stereotype...it's what makes them bigoted, using the stereotype and a small cross-section to fit a whole segment of a society.

From what I have seen dealing with white people, it's not their color that is the issue...it is their years of building their society upon oppression and destruction of other cultures.

(July 14, 2012 at 4:58 pm)Shell B Wrote: The school doesn't let people have sex during school hours. Your analogy still sucks.

Kissing is not sex.

(July 14, 2012 at 4:55 pm)Annik Wrote: If they want to pray, they can. Privately. However, the school cannot set aside an official time for prayer. Individuals can do whatever they want, the school system cannot. Is that so horrifying to you?

So praying during recess is OK with you? That way, students who don't want to do so can hang out with their friends instead. I'd actually think Atheists would like this seeing as how it would keep many kids from praying so they could play with their friends instead.

(July 14, 2012 at 5:01 pm)Polaris Wrote: Kissing is not sex.

Depends where your kissing

(July 14, 2012 at 5:01 pm)Polaris Wrote: So praying during recess is OK with you? That way, students who don't want to do so can hang out with their friends instead. I'd actually think Atheists would like this seeing as how it would keep many kids from praying so they could play with their friends instead.

As long as they just feel like praying at recess, who cares? It's their downtime. Just like I wouldn't care if they felt like praying if they were on the can. It's their own, private business. As long as it's not "prayer-time", but "dude is praying during recess", it's not a problem.

(July 14, 2012 at 5:01 pm)Polaris Wrote:

(July 14, 2012 at 4:50 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: You have not replied to my statement.
Tell me, should I encourage my nephews to call me a cracker? Is that their birth-right? Should I teach them they are better than me solely because they were born a different colour? Or would it be better to teach them that I am their uncle, a human being and deserving of the same respect regardless of my skin colour?
Which do you think is the better lesson? Which do you think would produce a fair-minded, decent human being?

If you haven't a decent answer feel free to shut the fuck up.

Well I don't actually use that word, I generally just speak against the general hateful attitude of the Western Caucasians. Their birth right is to assert their own will in not being subservient like the Right (now I have seen the Left is joining them) wants them to be.

Well do you actively seek to suppress their culture? Deport them? Disenfranchise them? I'm guessing the answer to all those questions is no.

See the thing about making bigoted comments as I did to Mockingbird allows for quite a few exceptions. They would not generally be bigoted if there were not quite a few exceptions to the stereotype...it's what makes them bigoted, using the stereotype and a small cross-section to fit a whole segment of a society.

From what I have seen dealing with white people, it's not their color that is the issue...it is their years of building their society upon oppression and destruction of other cultures.

That was *not* the argument you used. You were stating that black people had every right to be racist to white people without any repercussions. By that logic my nephews have every right to despise me based on my race and it would be all well and good.
What you suggest *is* oppression, it *is* subservience but not for your race. For mine. Not content with the ideal that we should all be equal in terms of rights you would seek to give the right to one race to show hatred to another. This would inevitably encourage hatred in return.
Like I said; unacceptable.

I dunno about you sorry bastards, but my recesses in early school were all about hide&seek and other innocent childs play. Never had kids that traded that time for a silly thng like prayer, isn't that something done in churches?

We had exactly what the OP describes at my high school. Kids gathered before school to have a prayer session in front of the building, and I never had any problem with. I did, however, look at it the same way that I see people that enjoy watching golf. I just don't get the attraction.