He shouldn't believe in their existence, there's no reason for Bob to do so. If he did and was right, it would only be by coincidence, not because of evidence and reasoning.
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Who's the most prominent Christian on this forum?
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 (August 29, 2012 at 2:09 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Suppose there were a Bronze Age religion that claimed that certain entities existed in the sky that devoured light and crushed everything--ala a black hole. Let's say that Bob lived back then, but didn't have any tools for measuring things like red-light shifts and so forth, so he couldn't actually detect the presence of a black hole. He would not have any justification to believe in their existence. What if Bob's religion also believed that there were giant invisible penguins that crapped stars? How is he any more justified in believing in black holes than giant star crapping penguins? You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  (August 29, 2012 at 9:20 am)greneknight Wrote: I am a Christian and not just a Christian but also an altar boy. I have sung matins and evensong in the choir too. Ergo, I'm extremely religious. I love debates and I got myself a formal debate in Christian Forums but they gave me a 3-day ban. I'm not sure I should go back there and start that debate because I think they hate me there and will ban me if I say the wrong things again and I'm sure to say the wrong things. I do hope to be able to get into the thick of some formal debate with someone. But although I'm a Christian, there is nothing I can debate with an atheist about. We probably agree on everything. I'd rather debate with a Christian.So you're a Christian? It doesn't make sense!?! What would you disagree with an atheist about? It seems like you're needing reassurance from another Christian not debate! You've said they 'hate' you on the Christian forum ... Jeez how bad is that!?!? Mind you, they could forgive you!! xXAngenlina starXx "Take the risk of thinking for yourself. Much more happiness, truth, beauty and wisdom will come to you that way" Christopher Hitchens Closing statement of the debate with William Dembski at Prestonwood Baptist Church, Plano Texas November 18th 2010 
I you wanna argue with some super-ultra-mega-Christians, go to this website
In the beginning, God created a bunch of male animals, a bunch of female animals, and one male human.
 Meash Wrote:I you wanna argue with some super-ultra-mega-Christians, go to this website You do realize that's all parody, right?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
(August 29, 2012 at 4:30 pm)MeasH Wrote: I you wanna argue with some super-ultra-mega-Christians, go to this website Wait.... You do know that Landover Baptist is a joke, right? Are there real Christians that debate there? If they don't get the joke, that would be the best demonstration of POE's Law, ever! You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. RE: Who's the most prominent Christian on this forum?
August 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm
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(August 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(August 29, 2012 at 4:30 pm)MeasH Wrote: I you wanna argue with some super-ultra-mega-Christians, go to this website ARE YOU FRICKING SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?! That's actually not surprising at all. They thought Minecraft turns kids into sex slaves. I did not know that.
In the beginning, God created a bunch of male animals, a bunch of female animals, and one male human.
The only two theists on here that I can remember having good debates with are Drich and Ryft (especially). Drich is a little nutty. He likes to hammer you with his One True meanings of words and verses. Expect lots of cherry picked lexicon/concordance words.
Ryft is just ruthless. Think of him as the boss level. That's all I can say.
My ignore list
"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence." -- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).  RE: Who's the most prominent Christian on this forum?
August 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm
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Yo, I'sa tought dat we got some here good holy practisin Christians lookin to spread de good word on this forum right here! Turns out da light of reason and science is just too bright for em and dey left!
So now I ain't got no Chrissies to challenge me. I can't lie, dis makes me kinda sad cuz I was just thinkin to meself "Hey Vinny, now dat I know all about da Plantinga, da William Lane Craig, da Jeff Foxworthy, whose am I gonna discuss dem wit?" If youse a Christian and you knowsa wat you gabagool, then hit me up. Any day, any time and we will tussle. Da lite of ateism will blind you if you ain't wearin da sunglasses of reason and science. RE: Who's the most prominent Christian on this forum?
August 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm
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(August 29, 2012 at 5:11 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:Well, they are either actual Christians, or just REALLY committed to this act. I asked.(August 29, 2012 at 4:30 pm)MeasH Wrote: I you wanna argue with some super-ultra-mega-Christians, go to this website
In the beginning, God created a bunch of male animals, a bunch of female animals, and one male human.
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