(October 18, 2012 at 10:21 pm)Ziploc Surprise Wrote: Ok, Breathe.... Breathe... Try not to scream... Seriously this link pisses me off. I have so many of my ahole Christian friends push for school prayer, Bible classes, Bible verses and other crap all over the school, and all sorts of crap. They try to tell me that there is no separation of church and state in the U.S. That this is a Christian nation (translation: theocracy). All sorts of bullshit like this. And just a few minutes ago one of the worst of the worst goes and posts this: http://link.brightcove.com/services/play...1237687001

He was complaining about Islamic infiltration in the school system. f**ing hypocrite! I can't tell you how many times I have said that if the Muslims were doing the same thing or Islam were the dominate religion his attitude would be different

Ugh! This is not working....must...go...vent...elswhere.

Contact American atheists and Freedom From Religion Foundation You probably can remain anonomous, but at least give them the name of the school and detailed discriptions of dates and events where these things are happening.

You are being bullied. Now I cant ask you to risk your own safety so do what you feel you are comfortable with. The bottom line is they ARE HYPOCRITES, because when others try to do the same thing they don't wnat the competition. They have no choice, they either let it all in at the same level of venue, or they agree to keep the setting neutral.

You have Jefferson's quotes on your side. You have the Barbary treaty artical 11 on your side. You have the Virginia Religious Freedom act that Madison used as the prototype for the First Amendment. And "No Religious Test" in the oath of office of the United States Constitution.

Your problem is unfortunatly that our country for far too long has had school districts under revisionist assholes control.

Whatever you decide to do be safe and only do what you are comfortable with.

Positive Atheism.com can give you the quotes of Jefferson, mind you though he was a diest, not an atheist, but he did value the right to quesiton even religion and in a few of his letters he basically says if you don't believe, it is better to question and you can have morals as an atheist.

Avalon Project is Yale University's online law library, look up the "Barbary Treati"

Article 11 "As the goverment of the United States of America, is not in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" Singed by both houses of congress WITHOUT dissent into law by Presdient John Adams June 10th 1797.

The founders wanted freedom of religion, but not pecking orders, when your fellow Christian students pull that crap they are attempting to set up a pecking order when they want to deny others the same rights. The only choice they have is to let others do it too, or agree to keep the event neutral.

They simply do not want their children to be culturally diverse which would happen if islamic children and christian children were learning to live and work together. Because their ideologies would eventually mix and become something new not quite christian or muslim.

(October 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm)JohnDG Wrote: They simply do not want their children to be culturally diverse which would happen if islamic children and christian children were learning to live and work together. Because their ideologies would eventually mix and become something new not quite christian or muslim.

Cultural diversity is a lie, friend. Every culture tries to lord over others. Diversity cannot survive.

Perhaps some barbarian somewhere feels this way. Some of us have chosen to disabuse ourselves of this particular little bit of ignorance. That cultures -have tried- or even -do try- to lord over each other does not mean that they -should-. Pretty basic shit right there.

(October 20, 2012 at 4:40 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(October 20, 2012 at 4:31 pm)JohnDG Wrote: They simply do not want their children to be culturally diverse which would happen if islamic children and christian children were learning to live and work together. Because their ideologies would eventually mix and become something new not quite christian or muslim.

Cultural diversity is a lie, friend. Every culture tries to lord over others. Diversity cannot survive.

Really, so I happen to be a lie? Tell me what culture am I? I happen to be half hispanic, half native american, 100% american. I don't speak spanish I know very little so I am not seen to be mexican to anyone of my color. I speak english pretty well and in most cases more so than Caucasians but to them I'm just a mexican. I have absolutely no connections with my native american ancestory as the tribe is almost wiped out of existance. What is my culture? Is it from my hispanic heritage which can probably be observed or it is from living here in america? Why do you see african americans wearing skinny jeans and caucasian americans wearing do rags some some people wearing both? Why are fanatical neo nazis afriad of colored people corrupting their youth with different ideologies and beliefs? If you say diversity is a lie, then you yourself are lying to only you.

If not, tell me what fucking culture do I belong to? When I'm not accepted by americans or hispanics?

You sound American to me DG.

(October 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You sound American to me DG.

I live here, I am. But without being born dark skinned most people will never know what I see, the way people look at you differently. As if you are not a person at all, mexicans, americans same shit. I could change my attire dress up in what is considered nice clothing and people would think I'm trying to be white. But I choose to dress the way I do and people see me as some savage, I have cholos come up to me ey homes que pasa? And then they are disturbed that I do not talk like them. Being american can be overrated.

I am all for freedom of religion (all religions) in school. I don't want Americans turning even more into the culturally ignorant people they already are...Americans need to be taught about other cultures much more extensively than is currently the case.

I'm pretty sure that dark skin isn't a requirement for being able to see inequity John. Fuck people who think you're "trying to be white", and fuck people who don't like the way you talk, eh?

I have been warning Christians for decades that the separation of church and state protects religion therefore it would be stupid to try to break it down. They always found a way to ignore me. Now that Christianity has some competition they have their panties in a wad. Oddly they still want a Christian theocracy but also they want to squelch their competition. They don't understand how the system works.

I hear the fear tactics. They believe that they must turn the U.S. back to god or god will judge us (fear, fear, fear, fear). The threat is looming! God's patience will run out! Ugh!