Arguing for raw numbers is useless. Even if it weren't, the increase for non-religious would still be much higher.

Where is your fucking god Lion? Where? No proof, as always.

I don't give give a rat's ass about the changing affections of the gullible. Where's your god?

I also don't care that a certain percentage of the population trades one set of traditions and holidays for another. Where is your god?

Prove your god or shut the fuck up. Understand that after you prove your god you have the much more difficult task of assigning the contents of the bible to that poor bastard.

(October 22, 2012 at 12:52 am)cato123 Wrote: Where is your fucking god Lion? Where? No proof, as always.

I don't give give a rat's ass about the changing affections of the gullible. Where's your god?

I also don't care that a certain percentage of the population trades one set of traditions and holidays for another. Where is your god?

Prove your god or shut the fuck up. Understand that after you prove your god you have the much more difficult task of assigning the contents of the bible to that poor bastard.

Prove it to you?

(October 22, 2012 at 1:03 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(October 22, 2012 at 12:52 am)cato123 Wrote: Where is your fucking god Lion? Where? No proof, as always.

I don't give give a rat's ass about the changing affections of the gullible. Where's your god?

I also don't care that a certain percentage of the population trades one set of traditions and holidays for another. Where is your god?

Prove your god or shut the fuck up. Understand that after you prove your god you have the much more difficult task of assigning the contents of the bible to that poor bastard.

Prove it to you?

As if I'm the only person on the face of the planet wanting proof of the existence of god.

(October 22, 2012 at 12:52 am)cato123 Wrote: Where is your fucking god Lion? Where? No proof, as always.

I don't give a rat's ass about the changing affections of the gullible. Where's your god?

I also don't care that a certain percentage of the population trades one set of traditions and holidays for another. Where is your god?

Prove your god or shut the fuck up. Understand that after you prove your god you have the much more difficult task of assigning the contents of the bible to that poor bastard.

Many people have all the proof they need. Some others say, that's not proof even when it appears that someone has risen from the dead.
Others go so far as to say...no matter what happens I will never have a deathbed conversion so dont believe anything I might say.

What will you do once you see this ''proof'' - take back all the horrible things you said about God?

The funny thing is, if a hardcore, skeptical atheist experienced a convincing personal epiphany and honestly believed they had been given ''proof'' of God, they would - from that moment on - find themself in the ranks
of the very same people whose testimony (and sanity) atheists assert must be doubted.

(October 22, 2012 at 1:09 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Many people have all the proof they need. Some others say, that's not proof even when it appears that someone has risen from the dead.

Appears; until they then find the scientific explanation and know they didn't.

(October 22, 2012 at 1:09 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Others go so far as to say...no matter what happens I will never have a deathbed conversion so dont believe anything I might say.

What will you do once you see this ''proof'' - take back all the horrible things you said about God?

Well, since he would know what I was thinking, there would be no point in rescinding it. If god did exist, he would be just as much of a tyrant as he is within the bible as a fictional character. So, no, because I genuinely think he is a bad person.

(October 22, 2012 at 1:09 am)Lion IRC Wrote: The funny thing is, if a hardcore, skeptical atheist experienced a convincing personal epiphany and honestly believed they had been given ''proof'' of God, they would - from that moment on - find themself in the ranks of the very same people whose testimony (and sanity) atheists assert must be doubted.

I wouldn't, why would a personal epiphany prove god? If there is no hard evidence, then it is more reasonable to conclude that my brain had some sort of malfunction than that an omnipotent universe creator outside the spacetime continuum contacted me telepathically, when he won't do it for other people for some reason, unless they are under extraordinary circumstances, or have a mental disorder.

(October 22, 2012 at 1:06 am)cato123 Wrote:

(October 22, 2012 at 1:03 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Prove it to you?

As if I'm the only person on the face of the planet wanting proof of the existence of god.

If you're so desperate for it, find it yourself. Why ask people of personal convictions of proof, while your personal conviction has led you to the conclusion that there is no God?

Are you now admitting that there is no proof other than a personal exposition, most likely to take place at the time of one's death?

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(October 22, 2012 at 1:15 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:

(October 22, 2012 at 1:06 am)cato123 Wrote: As if I'm the only person on the face of the planet wanting proof of the existence of god.

If you're so desperate for it, find it yourself. Why ask people of personal convictions of proof, while your personal conviction has led you to the conclusion that there is no God?

I am not asking for people's personal convictions of god, I have heard my share of testimony. The reason that I conclude that there is no god is not based on a poll, it's based on the lack of any credible evidence affirming his/her/it's existence.

(October 22, 2012 at 1:15 am)cato123 Wrote: Are you now admitting that there is no proof other than a personal exposition, most likely to take place at the time of one's death?...

No. God's existence is proven in many ways and to the satisfactory standard of evidence set by millions of people.
The bible, for example shows tons of examples of people who, while alive and sane, became rationally convinced that God exists. So much so, that even on THEIR ''deathbed'' (while being tortured) they did not alter their testimony.

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

(October 22, 2012 at 1:31 am)Lion IRC Wrote: No. God's existence is proven in many ways and to the satisfactory standard of evidence set by millions of people. The bible, for example shows tons of examples of people who, while alive and sane, became rationally convinced that God exists. So much so, that even on THEIR ''deathbed'' (while being tortured) they did not alter their testimony.

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

That whole thing is just an argument ad populum.
Not to mention that when people were dying for this, science was nothing compared to what it is today; theism then wouldn't be nearly as irrational as it is now.