Fuck This "Xtian Nation" Shit!

[Cato]

And still you offer no evidence. None.

[Minimalist]

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

That's because your fucking bible is not evidence of anything except the delusions of superstitious assholes.

Look in a mirror in case you are wondering who I'm speaking to.

[The Grand Nudger]

No. God's existence is proven in many ways

I'd settle for just one. Care to handle that?

and to the satisfactory standard of evidence set by millions of people.

Indeed, and a great many of those people think your god is bullshit, as you think theirs is bullshit.

The bible, for example shows tons of examples of people who, while alive and sane, became rationally convinced that God exists. So much so, that even on THEIR ''deathbed'' (while being tortured) they did not alter their testimony.

...Why, oh why, would they die...for a lie. I think I've heard this chorus before.

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

Oh, is it now, so you're ready to accept the evidence for Shiva and convert yes? We both say this, and we both agree in every case...save one.

[pocaracas]

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Darkstar, I wish your reasonable tone would get the thought it deserves, but it is my view that Lion knows that the data doesn't back him up. He won't admit it tho. Like so many believers, when reality and dogma collide; dogma wins,

What are you talking about...''the data doesnt back him up'' ?

All I was doing was posting factual data from the census results. The data backs itself up.

Numerical statistics dont have a ''reasonable tone''.

Not one person here has been able to demonstrate a falsehood in anything I posted.

Instead, we get lots of smoke screen verbiage and arm waving and filling up the thread with stuff (that doesnt even constitute falsification) in order to push my posts further back down the scroll where they wont get in the way.

Well done Darkstar, your ''reasonable tone'' has pacified your fellow atheists into mistakenly thinking that style trumps substance.

Here's the facts. (Substance)
Source : Same as I cited earlier. Nothings changed. (Facts are Facts.)

Total # Muslims up a massive 39.9% from 2006 (wonder if they support gay marriage?)

Total # Hindus up a massive 26.3% from 2006 (oh my gods!!!! How can you debunk that many?)

Total # Pentecostals up 8.4% from 2006.

Total # Christians in 2011 up 3.6% from 2006

Total # Catholics up 6.1% from 2006 Even after that relentless attack on pedophiles hiding in the clergy and still UP a massive 6.1% (The atheist attack seems to have gone quiet on that one. Hmm. Wonder why? Probably because of the blowback once people started hearing stories that theres ALSO tons of gutless ATHEISTS hiding in the clergy pretending to be priests.)

Buddhists up a massive 26.3% from 2006 (And you wonder why ''Old Atheists'' are deserting the ship for ''Atheism Plus'')

Speaking of Atheism Plus....

Is it my imagination or does this logo remind you of a road winding its way up a hill towards a Cross at the top?

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Are you still at this?
Now you seem to be using absolute numbers and then calculating the percentage of absolute increase.
Haven't you seen this is meaningless?
What has meaning is the relative percentage over the whole population.
Did you bother to see how many of those new believers in each religion are new immigrants?
Did you bother to apply the same reasoning to the "no religion" folks?
How do those "massive" increases compare to the total population? Or just to the total population within each religion?
Here's an example:
catholics:
2006 => 5126900
2011 => 5439200
ratio => 5439200/5126900 = 1.060914 ~6.1% (just like you claim)
difference => 5439200-5126900 = 312300

The calculations below don't directly represent a change during these years... it's just a ratio to put things in perspective.
312300 / 5439200(total catholics 2011) = 0.05741 ~5.74%
312300 / 21507700(total population 2011) = 0.01452 ~1.45%

If the "new catholics" represent 1.5% of the population, I wonder how "massive" this difference is for the other religions...?
Do the math, show me and yourself.

[thesummerqueen]

I'm glad someone mentioned "ad populum".

People are increasingly using homeopathy - that doesn't mean that shit is true.

Why are we still arguing based on census numbers?

We are not a Christian nation, and increasingly won't be. End of story.

[Brian37]

No. God's existence is proven in many ways

I'd settle for just one. Care to handle that?

and to the satisfactory standard of evidence set by millions of people.

Indeed, and a great many of those people think your god is bullshit, as you think theirs is bullshit.

The bible, for example shows tons of examples of people who, while alive and sane, became rationally convinced that God exists. So much so, that even on THEIR ''deathbed'' (while being tortured) they did not alter their testimony.

...Why, oh why, would they die...for a lie. I think I've heard this chorus before.

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

Oh, is it now, so you're ready to accept the evidence for Shiva and convert yes? We both say this, and we both agree in every case...save one.

I hate that stupid argument "Why would they die for a lie"

Same reasons the Egyptian Pharohs went to war fighting for their sun god. Same reason the Greeks and Romans went to war for their gods. Same reason 19 hijackers slammed planes into buildings. You can truely believe something and still be wrong.

So when someone claims a book whose central super hero was born of a virgin when science says it takes two sets of DNA I call bullshit on it. The fact that Christians went to war and started the Dark Ages and Inquisition and had witch hunts, happened. Those people truely beleived they were committing harm to other people for the greater good. But that never made virgin births real.

"Those who accept absurdity can go on to commit atrocoties" Forgot who said that.

[Brunitski]

Lion, When are you going to learn? every one here can see what you are doing, can do the fucking math, can go and see for themselves your endless why you were given the arse from RatSkep, your endless musing, no - your obsession with Gay marriage and homosexuality in general. This subject, this discussion we're having now has been had at least a couple of times over at RS, and each time you fucking bang on as if the conclusions you desperately want to be true are supported by the dross you present. Each time you say, (you have said this 3 times in this thread alone)

Not one person here has been able to demonstrate a falsehood in anything I posted.

Instead, we get lots of smoke screen verbiage and arm waving and filling up the thread with stuff (that doesnt even constitute falsification) in order to push my posts further back down the scroll where they wont get in the way.

When people have provided exactly what you say they have not.

Dude.

Srsly.

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Are you now admitting that there is no proof other than a personal exposition, most likely to take place at the time of one's death?...

No. God's existence is proven in many ways and to the satisfactory standard of evidence set by millions of people.

In many ways, huh lion?
Proven huh?
Care to share this "proof"? Just one of the many ways will do.

The bible, for example shows tons of examples of people who, while alive and sane, became rationally convinced that God exists. So much so, that even on THEIR ''deathbed'' (while being tortured) they did not alter their testimony.

My point is that it is the ATHEIST who says...thats not evidence and neither is that and neither is that, and neither is that,and neither is that, and neither is that, and........................

Oh "tons" of ways, huh? Is that imperial "tons"? When did you do your schooling Lion? It's just that here in Australia, we use Metric - you may have missed that memo.
I don't know how badly that will throw your measurement of the "tons" of examples - you should prolly convert to kilograms if you want to sound less like a teenager.
FYI: 1 Ton(us) = 907.18474 Kgs

P.S. Rhythm beat me to it.

[Lion IRC]

Lion, When are you going to learn? every one here can see what you are doing, can do the fucking math...

Yep. It is just maths. And stats are stats. You are just adding another post with zero statistical content.
People like you jump down on me even when I make a typo. Look around the thread. Do you see any sign of...

Lion wrote : # of religious = statistic X and yet I can directly contradict his claim by showing that the actual number Y

Nope.

[every one here can see] ...why you were given the arse from RatSkep, your endless musing, no - your obsession with Gay marriage and homosexuality in general.

Nice attempt to change the topic. Hmmm.
Wonder why?

Is that what YOU would rather discuss?

[Brunitski]

Lion, When are you going to learn? every one here can see what you are doing, can do the fucking math...

Yep. It is just maths. And stats are stats. You are just adding another post with zero statistical content.
People like you jump down on me even when I make a typo. Look around the thread.

Awww. D'you want a hug, tiger?

Nice attempt to change the topic. Hmmm.
Wonder why?

Is that what YOU would rather discuss?

Oh hoho! If you think I'm going to be the reason you get another chance to get all sweaty over that topic, you got another thing coming, jack.

[Cinjin]

Lion, off topic question real quick:


Why the Hanged Man as an avatar?
I only ask because as a former christian I seem to recall VERY well the many sermons dealing with the dangers of the Occult and all things associated with Mediums and what not. Specifically Tarot Cards were highly forbidden and yet you have the Hanged Man as your avatar?

I'm only curious, you may certainly feel free to have any avatar you wish.


From Wikipedia:

the figure, as a whole, suggests life in suspension, but life and not death. [...] It has been called falsely a card of martyrdom, a card a of prudence, a card of the Great Work, a card of duty [...] I will say very simply on my own part that it expresses the relation, in one of its aspects, between the Divine and the Universe.