I'm sorry, but you are beyond deluded.
You just go in circle after circle, and worse, your points have the logical substance of diarrhea from a bulimic with dysentery.
There's just nothing valid in your statements.







There isn't a facepalm on the internet that can adequately show how I feel about the apologist's greasy rhetoric that you have spewed forth.

(October 31, 2012 at 12:37 am)Drich Wrote: Thier is a difference between petition (asking God for stuff or favors/making wishes) and prayer as demonstrated by Christ Himself..

http://atheistforums.org/thread-14138.html

No there isn't. It's all made up and you are full of shit.

(November 2, 2012 at 10:01 pm)Cinjin Wrote:

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I'm sorry, but you are beyond deluded.
You just go in circle after circle, and worse, your points have the logical substance of diarrhea from a bulimic with dysentery.
There's just nothing valid in your statements.

Your god isn't real. Your book is a joke.
Your lies are preposterous. Your arguments are cyclical.
You contradict yourselves in every other thread.
Your prayers are useless. Your preachers are pedophiles.
Your missionaries carry the virus and your religion is a disease.

It isn't real. It's never been real. 300 years from now, your stupidity will be as big a joke as Zeus and Thor, and Islam will be right behind it.

There isn't a facepalm on the internet that can adequately show how I feel about the apologist's greasy rhetoric that you have spewed forth.

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Yes but what about answering your questions?

I am not really addressing anyone specifically, just an FYI.

In prayer biblically modeled Prayer, (Not chants, petitions,) We are have been assured that all prayers will be answered in the positive. Why? (Pay attention to this next bit because it seem like most of you simply do not get this) These prayers are always answered because The one prayer we have been taught to pray, has us pray for change in our own hearts. In that "His Will Be Done on earth as it is in Heaven." That Our sins Be forgiven only if we forgive those who sin against us, and that our basic needs be met. Out of the three things we are told to ask for only one has anything to do with physical want or need. What we have been told to ask for is not winning lotto tickets but just our daily min. The rest focouses on Spiritual growth/To get the person praying to change his mind about a given situation, not a way to try and force God to change His mind.

(November 3, 2012 at 12:00 am)Drich Wrote: I am not really addressing anyone specifically, just an FYI.

In prayer biblically modeled Prayer, (Not chants, petitions,) We are have been assured that all prayers will be answered in the positive. Why? (Pay attention to this next bit because it seem like most of you simply do not get this) These prayers are always answered because The one prayer we have been taught to pray, has us pray for change in our own hearts. In that "His Will Be Done on earth as it is in Heaven." That Our sins Be forgiven only if we forgive those who sin against us, and that our basic needs be met. Out of the three things we are told to ask for only one has anything to do with physical want or need. What we have been told to ask for is not winning lotto tickets but just our daily min. The rest focouses on Spiritual growth/To get the person praying to change his mind about a given situation, not a way to try and force God to change His mind.

When I went on my self-funded missions trip with a team of fellow Pentecostal friends to Thailand, my one objective was to "bring heaven to earth". I didn't pray any prayer to make the world a better place, but rather, I was practical about it and set myself up to be used by God over in Thailand.

Not one sick person was ever healed. How much conviction is needed in the believer's heart for God to respond? Was a leap of faith on my part (I always thought that mission trips weren't for me), 2 months of putting all my part-time pay towards the trip and sacrificing my time to serve others STILL not enough for God to heal even the common cold?

Wake up Drich. It's all in your head.

If I were God FTR I'd deny your requests to heal the common cold too. Are you seriously trying to tell us this was a failed mission on all fronts?

(November 3, 2012 at 4:58 am)fr0d0 Wrote: If I were God FTR I'd deny your requests to heal the common cold too.

So you've given me the gift of the Holy Spirit but would make it redundant every time I'd try to heal someone? Ummm..... why???

Quote:Are you seriously trying to tell us this was a failed mission on all fronts?

No. The people got their food + essentials supply that would have lasted them for the next 2 months or. Also, as corny and cliche as it sounds, I was forever changed. Even to this day, I get a little sick in the stomach when I see first world problems that are concerned with trivialities. People don't appreciate what they have.

As for "bringing heaven to earth"... the authority I was given as a Christian wasn't ever supernaturally used. God simply never acted once to testify about the riches of his Kingdom.

I don't take anything upon faith, wishes, blind hope or prayer.

Sorry theists, I don't care whether you believe your big brother concepts answer requests or not, because that's not the way REALITY works.

Here's life in a nutshell: You do what you have to do. I do what I have to do. Whatever happens, happens.

if praying would work this site would be empty and churches were be full

(November 3, 2012 at 5:10 am)FallentoReason Wrote: So you've given me the gift of the Holy Spirit but would make it redundant every time I'd try to heal someone? Ummm..... why???

I wouldn't have you waste it on triviality

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(November 3, 2012 at 5:10 am)FallentoReason Wrote: No. The people got their food + essentials supply that would have lasted them for the next 2 months or. Also, as corny and cliche as it sounds, I was forever changed. Even to this day, I get a little sick in the stomach when I see first world problems that are concerned with trivialities. People don't appreciate what they have.

As for "bringing heaven to earth"... the authority I was given as a Christian wasn't ever supernaturally used. God simply never acted once to testify about the riches of his Kingdom.

Sounds like God made his point.

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(November 3, 2012 at 6:01 am)Welsh cake Wrote: because that's not the way REALITY works.

I'm afraid it is. You denying it makes no difference to that. Science rules.

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(November 3, 2012 at 6:06 am)Sōkrátēs Wrote: if praying would work this site would be empty and churches were be full

Someone else claiming to know the will of God.