There's a number in gJohn. Most skeptics acknowledge that. I and the Father are one, You have seen me, you have seen the Father are the first two that pop to mind.

Good question, Rayaan. As John says, there are a few oblique references in gJohn, the latest of the so-called gospels. Of course in the synoptic gospels jesus is protrayed as talking/praying to "god" so apparently gjohn wants people to believe that their boy was talking to himself.

Bart Ehrman has demonstrated that this stuff has been edited over the centuries to the point where it is hard to make any definitive statements about it.

Quote:One God, three distinct persons.

Complete and utter horseshit. It took xtians centuries to cobble that kind of stupidity together to fool the dolts.

Looks like it worked in your case.

(November 5, 2012 at 6:34 pm)Undeceived Wrote: One God, three distinct persons.

In the real world, we call that Dissociative Identity Disorder (or Multiple Personality Disorder in laymans terms).

(November 5, 2012 at 7:08 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Yeah, but "I and my Father are one" does not necessarily mean that they are one in substance.

If you look at some of the other verses (in the same Gospel), their context implies a different meaning of John 10:30 from what you're arguing.

Whoa, hold on there cowboy. At this point I haven't argued anything. You posed your question as an innformation request, not a challenge. If you're arguing that the Bible doesn't portray Jesus as divine, you should have said so.

In that case I would have started with OT prophecies of the messiah, such as:

Isaiah 9
6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.