I'm thinking when he takes a sun tan facing down and exposes his "buns" and seeing how he is the mcdonalds spokesperson, where burgers have sesame seeds, his "buns" would have sesame on them too

Except he wouldn't have to be lying down You lead a sheltered life over in Singapore huh Retorth?

Ok that I definitely don't get LOL

“Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'”

“Communism is the death of the soul. It is the organization of total conformity - in short, of tyranny - and it is committed to making tyranny universal.”

Hmmm. Methinks you are deluded Nancy

No fr0d0, she is making perfect sense. Communists / Socialists always say they want to "spread the wealth", yet this puts everyone at an equal level of income even though some are doing more work than others. Such a system can be easily shown as unfair.

In Capitalism, there are very wealthy people, but how is this a bad thing? To continue being wealthy, they must keep generating money. The only way to generate money is to produce their product. The only way to produce their product is to hire workers. If you don't pay your workers enough, they quit and find work at one of your competitors.

The idea of the free market allows *anyone* with an idea to become a billionaire. Combine this with venture capitalism and you can sell a portion of your product / company to a wealthy person, in return for a large sum of money to help develop it. They get shares, you get a business of your own, and if you succeed, both of you become richer. You can then sell your company, use the funds to start a new one all on your own, and perhaps become a venture capitalist yourself.

Capitalism simply doesn't work if the rich don't help others out by paying wages or investing in ideas.

(October 9, 2009 at 5:21 am)Tiberius Wrote: No fr0d0, she is making perfect sense. Communists / Socialists always say they want to "spread the wealth", yet this puts everyone at an equal level of income even though some are doing more work than others. Such a system can be easily shown as unfair.

In Capitalism, there are very wealthy people, but how is this a bad thing? To continue being wealthy, they must keep generating money. The only way to generate money is to produce their product. The only way to produce their product is to hire workers. If you don't pay your workers enough, they quit and find work at one of your competitors.

The idea of the free market allows *anyone* with an idea to become a billionaire. Combine this with venture capitalism and you can sell a portion of your product / company to a wealthy person, in return for a large sum of money to help develop it. They get shares, you get a business of your own, and if you succeed, both of you become richer. You can then sell your company, use the funds to start a new one all on your own, and perhaps become a venture capitalist yourself.

Capitalism simply doesn't work if the rich don't help others out by paying wages or investing in ideas.

Completely agree Adrian, we need certain barriers in place to make life easier for those unable to work, those looking after children and the retired to make sure they have a great standard of life, but the people who can work and choose not to deserve only the bare-bones state support and should be made to serve the community for their dole, but we should not tilt the system in favor of those who are not earning as much (for whatever reason).

On thing i do think needs to change is the value placed on physical labor, the people in these fields work just as hard, if not harder than the suits yet are not payed appropriately, the mind is not everything when it comes to your pay-packet and we need to acknowledge fully the fact that none of the ambitions of the mind can be fulfilled without the hands.

I'm also for a flat tax, though i will state clearly that it needs to be approached slowly.

I think it's highly deluded to think that a capitalist would ever think: "All men should have so much.” is all. Capitalism isn't inherently bad but the result of it is usually bad. It often overwhelms morality for example. I'm no serious socialist but uphold the principle of sharing and supporting the needy element of society.

The only way to generate money it seems is to make sure you have a vast resource of workers duped by the dream yet kept in poverty. Employers call the shots not workers. If you don't accept the crap pay employers can always find someone else to replace you. The prevalent way to maintain wealth is to queer the pitch.

I agree with the Frodo.

It's not as simple as "don't pay the workers fairly they will quit and work for your competition".

The competition pays crap also. Employers know if they all pay crap wages they will still have a stack of applications for employment because people have to eat.

Off topic, as usual.

What's thicker than the bible?

The people that preach it.