(February 26, 2013 at 12:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Stereotypically? Really? Insults and mockery of religion is the norm, rather than the exception on these forums. You cannot say the same for believers, who are normally respectful and gracious, and insulting comments are the exceptions.

You seem to forget that we are not bound to the shackles of religion, hence we are not bound to 'respect' your belief. And if your pride(by fragility to insults) gives pause to your argument, perhaps it is possible that you have none.

I hate atheists 'cause they're all so smug, they think they don't know everything.

(February 26, 2013 at 1:32 pm)The Magic Pudding Wrote: I hate atheists 'cause they're all so smug, they think they don't know everything.

Well I wouldn't say everything.....

Atheists aggressive proselytize nihilism to children and young adults, luring them in with pornography, through state subsidized education which often teaches atheism despite 80% of America being Christian and through Hollywood and the mainstream media which are full of sensuality and violence and a worldview hostile to Christianity. They do this to make money, without concern for values. While many of these people are not actually atheists, the cultural movement is heavily indebted to atheism and liberal views of religion which go hand in hand.

Atheists do not make any effort whatsoever to define how to be a good person. They have no structure to replace the church. They have no answer when their kids are all victims of drug abuse. They have competing theories about how to be a good person, but there is no authority. They don't seem to care that they lead their converts into nihilism.

Atheists get there message through using music. They try and teach young kids it is ok to have sex before marriage. They tell them it is ok because they care get an abortion later. Much of the atheism in the US does not happen through careful analysis of philosophical texts, it happens through people being exposed to music that is very sexual, appeals to peoples sense of rebelliousness, and offers a world without rules or constaints.

One other thing: atheists are commonly liars. Atheists lie all the time. I have been in so many debates with atheists where they would twist what they were saying to such a huge degree that it was clear that they had no idea what they were talking about and they didn't care. Atheists are often very arrogant. They are proud, but typically they have not read more than a few books from the other perspective. Atheists are typically very uneducated about religion. When you compare them to the average, religious, unsaved person in America, who goes to church once a year, yes that is true, they may know more about the Bible than them. But when you compare atheist knowledge of the scriptures with Christians, or if you yourself are somewhat knowledgeable about the details, you will get annoyed at the lies and arrogance of the atheist movement, as they advance their agenda with anime and videogames and marijuana and pornography, all aimed not at the mind, but at the senses, and the senses of the young.

I have met several atheists who were proud of being assholes. I would say this is representative of much of the group. They actually self-identified with the term "asshole".

I could go on and on.

Yay, stereotypes!

---

And to break your stereotype: I've read loads of religious books, I don't do drugs at all, I don't drink, I'm still a virgin (not on purpose), and I've admitted to being wrong a few times in debates with theists.

And I hate anime. I hate music written in the last 200 years, and I hate most of Hollywood.

The porn however...

Can I break this whole post apart?
Can I? can I? can I?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists aggressive proselytize nihilism to children and young adults,

OH really?
Aggressive? me? I hit only after being hit... kind of like this post! :p

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: luring them in with pornography,

That's why the actresses scream "god" all the time...

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: through state subsidized education which often teaches atheism despite 80% of America being Christian

I'm not american, but it would still apply...
The Education system is there to teach kids about the world around them and to turn them into the future workforce, keeping the economy moving.
It wouldn't do to teach kids that they could believe something and that would be enough. The boss only pays when you present your work, not when you present promises.
Churches exist to provide the religious point of view.
It seems like you'd prefer if schools were also churches.... a strange notion...

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: and through Hollywood and the mainstream media which are full of sensuality and violence and a worldview hostile to Christianity. They do this to make money, without concern for values.

In the mean time the 80% christian population eats this, likes it, wants more and pays for it.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: While many of these people are not actually atheists, the cultural movement is heavily indebted to atheism and liberal views of religion which go hand in hand.

Those damned communists are behind it...

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists do not make any effort whatsoever to define how to be a good person.

It's not our job.
We simply do not believe in the divine mumbo-jumbo.
Each person can then decide how to be good.... keeping on the right side of the civil code usually helps with that.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They have no structure to replace the church.

While there are some atheist groups who get together on a periodic basis, most just keep to themselves.
You see, in many parts of the World, it's not particularly healthy to let others know that you're atheist.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They have no answer when their kids are all victims of drug abuse.

Are you claiming that any religion does?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They have competing theories about how to be a good person, but there is no authority.

Sure there is: the police, the government, stuff like that.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They don't seem to care that they lead their converts into nihilism.

If people realize that gods are man-made and then become nihilistic, that's their problem. There are thrapists who can help with those cases... no need to believe in man-made super-beings.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists get there message through using music.

Really? Which music?
I was listening to the news on the radio, when I realized that there must be no god whatsoever.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They try and teach young kids it is ok to have sex before marriage.

And why isn't it?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They tell them it is ok because they care get an abortion later.

What?!
This is what I reconstructed from your badly mangled sentence:
They tell them it's ok [to have sex?] because they can get an abortion later [if they get pregnant].

Yes, they can get an abortion. It's a normal natural reaction when the pregnancy has no positive outcome. You should read more, animals in the wild do it with no medical assistance.... not a nice thing.
Oh, and many christian girls get abortions... would you prefer that they would do them at home, using folk knowledge, or do them at a medical facility with trained staff?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Much of the atheism in the US does not happen through careful analysis of philosophical texts, it happens through people being exposed to music that is very sexual, appeals to peoples sense of rebelliousness, and offers a world without rules or constaints.

Actually, it is the realization that gods are, most likely, man-made.
That they are contradictory.
That they have all the faults of the peoples from where they originated.

But again, I don't know about the US.... those people are crazy, judging from all the shows I watch on TLC

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: One other thing: atheists are commonly liars. Atheists lie all the time.

That is true. (wait, I must be lying!!)
sweeping generalization... -.-'
Now is the right time to call you a dumbass.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I have been in so many debates with atheists where they would twist what they were saying to such a huge degree that it was clear that they had no idea what they were talking about and they didn't care.

Ditto for theists.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists are often very arrogant.

Yeah, we have the full knowledge of just how deluded some 80% of the world's population is... this sort of knowledge can leave some scars which can be mistaken for arrogance.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: They are proud, but typically they have not read more than a few books from the other perspective.

Neither have theists.
How well do you (you are a christian, right?) know the q'uran?
How well do you know the Vedas?
How well do you know scientology?
How well do you know pastafarianism?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists are typically very uneducated about religion.

I can't be sure, but I think someone has some statistics saying the opposite... google it.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: When you compare them to the average, religious, unsaved person in America, who goes to church once a year, yes that is true, they may know more about the Bible than them. But when you compare atheist knowledge of the scriptures with Christians, or if you yourself are somewhat knowledgeable about the details, you will get annoyed at the lies and arrogance of the atheist movement, as they advance their agenda with anime and videogames and marijuana and pornography, all aimed not at the mind, but at the senses, and the senses of the young.

When you compare the american christians' knowledge of the q'uran with the arab muslims',you will get annoyed at the lies and arrogance of the christian movement. blablabla

Replace muslims and christians with any two religions in the world. Can you see where this leads?

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I have met several atheists who were proud of being assholes.

Here's one of the best, xpress just for you:

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: I would say this is representative of much of the group. They actually self-identified with the term "asshole".

I could go on and on.

Now that's just offensive... but that's why I called you a dumbass... I could go on and on, but I think one name is enough.

I don't hate atheist people per say. But I find myself saying, yes, I am atheist but am not not one of those types.

But like fundamental theist, fundamental atheist are a mean spirit lot that have little in the way of accepting views that don't match theirs.

(March 2, 2013 at 6:16 pm)jstrodel Wrote: Atheists aggressive proselytize nihilism to children and young adults, luring them in with pornography, through state subsidized education which often teaches atheism despite 80% of America being Christian and through Hollywood and the mainstream media which are full of sensuality and violence and a worldview hostile to Christianity. They do this to make money, without concern for values. While many of these people are not actually atheists, the cultural movement is heavily indebted to atheism and liberal views of religion which go hand in hand.

Atheists do not make any effort whatsoever to define how to be a good person. They have no structure to replace the church. They have no answer when their kids are all victims of drug abuse. They have competing theories about how to be a good person, but there is no authority. They don't seem to care that they lead their converts into nihilism.

Atheists get there message through using music. They try and teach young kids it is ok to have sex before marriage. They tell them it is ok because they care get an abortion later. Much of the atheism in the US does not happen through careful analysis of philosophical texts, it happens through people being exposed to music that is very sexual, appeals to peoples sense of rebelliousness, and offers a world without rules or constaints.

One other thing: atheists are commonly liars. Atheists lie all the time. I have been in so many debates with atheists where they would twist what they were saying to such a huge degree that it was clear that they had no idea what they were talking about and they didn't care. Atheists are often very arrogant. They are proud, but typically they have not read more than a few books from the other perspective. Atheists are typically very uneducated about religion. When you compare them to the average, religious, unsaved person in America, who goes to church once a year, yes that is true, they may know more about the Bible than them. But when you compare atheist knowledge of the scriptures with Christians, or if you yourself are somewhat knowledgeable about the details, you will get annoyed at the lies and arrogance of the atheist movement, as they advance their agenda with anime and videogames and marijuana and pornography, all aimed not at the mind, but at the senses, and the senses of the young.

I have met several atheists who were proud of being assholes. I would say this is representative of much of the group. They actually self-identified with the term "asshole".

I could go on and on.

Could you possibly stereotype us any more? According to you, we're all porn-addicted, intrinsically dishonest, pot-smoking, anime-watching, videogame-toting, adolescent-behavioured, pro-choice, child-corrupting, liberal, money-grubbing, nihilistic, sex-addicted, arrogant, theologically clueless, assholes.

How damn dare you, you condescending, close-minded, high-horsed, sanctimonious, strawman-constructing, theist.
If I had any confidence that you had the capacity to accept that those who don't follow along in the wake of your sadistic, misogynistic, homophobic, morally bankrupt religion, aren't all the reprehensible sludge of society you imagine them to be, then I'd take the time to point it out to you.

I think it'd be best if you just left, frankly, because I'm fairly confident that you'll never accept that the world can't be the black and white way you want it to be.

Quote:Could you possibly stereotype us any more? According to you, we're all porn-addicted, intrinsically dishonest, pot-smoking, anime-watching, videogame-toting, adolescent-behavioured, pro-choice, child-corrupting, liberal, money-grubbing, nihilistic, sex-addicted, arrogant, theologically clueless, assholes.

You didn't make any argument there. Of course not all atheists fit those stereotypes. The fact that something is a stereotype does not make it false, and calling it a stereotype does not prove it is false. Political correctness is not one of the pillars reality is constructed upon.

Quote:How damn dare you, you condescending, close-minded, high-horsed, sanctimonious, strawman-constructing, theist.

condescending - I am never condescending to people in real life, unless I feel it is merited. I think it is worth being condescending to atheists that use the internet and the allure of sex and freedom and false arguments to ensnare young people. This is a fact that this happens.

close-minded - I am not close minded. Politically I have been a radical for much of my life and I still am to some degree. I majored in philosophy in college and have studied many atheist books. I try to understand the truth whether it agrees with my theology or not, and try and reconcile them afterwards. I think you would find me to be a very likeable fellow in real life.

high-horsed - I am not high horsed, but I do consider myself to be better than those who try to lead young people into nihilism by using sex and drugs. This is a substantial portion of the atheist community (not all).

sanctimonious - I am a sinner like everyone else.

strawmen - Where do you see a strawman?

Quote:If I had any confidence that you had the capacity to accept that those who don't follow along in the wake of your sadistic, misogynistic, homophobic, morally bankrupt religion, aren't all the reprehensible sludge of society you imagine them to be, then I'd take the time to point it out to you.

It is not that I imagine atheists to be something, it is that I was an atheist. I am not homophobic, I have actually flirted with homosexuality in my life. I am not misogynistic either, and to call the Christian teachings on women (whether conservative or liberal) misogynistic is to seriously misunderstand them. Many protections exist for women in Christian community that are absolutely lacking outside, whether the bar scene or the abortion clinic or the porno studio.

Quote:I think it'd be best if you just left, frankly, because I'm fairly confident that you'll never accept that the world can't be the black and white way you want it to be.

What makes you think the world I live in is black and white? I spend many hours every day analyzing language and culture and the epistemology and logic of the world around me. I spend probably 4 hours a day or so doing this, just thinking.

I acknowledge that there are plenty of Christians out there who do the same things atheists do, but a lot of the time it is because they are influenced by the atheistic culture of rock and roll, hollywood and the universities and the bar scene. It is true that Christians fall, but it is also true that the atheist movement, to a large degree spreads a net for their feet.

Considering I've never met a single a theist who use drugs, corrupts children, or half the rest of what you've accused the atheist community of, and being one I've met a lot of atheists int he several societies I've been a part of, I call your claim baseless assertions stemming from willful smear-campaigning until you can provide some evidence to the contrary.

Your various accomplishments as spelled out here by you, whilst impressive on their own, don't lend any credence to this ad hominem nonsense you've plastered the atheist community with.

Quote:condescending - I am never condescending to people in real life, unless I feel it is merited. I think it is worth being condescending to atheists that use the internet and the allure of sex and freedom and false arguments to ensnare young people. This is a fact that this happens.

close-minded - I am not close minded. Politically I have been a radical for much of my life and I still am to some degree. I majored in philosophy in college and have studied many atheist books. I try to understand the truth whether it agrees with my theology or not, and try and reconcile them afterwards. I think you would find me to be a very likeable fellow in real life.

high-horsed - I am not high horsed, but I do consider myself to be better than those who try to lead young people into nihilism by using sex and drugs. This is a substantial portion of the atheist community (not all).

sanctimonious - I am a sinner like everyone else.

strawmen - Where do you see a strawman?

Condescending: Proscribing your moral model upon us as though infallible, and not considering that perhaps it might be wrong.
High-horsed: Considering yourself above things that you've accused the atheist community of, whilst you follow a religion that is one of the most demonstrably vile, inhumane dogmas the human race has ever constructed
Sanctimonious: See "condescending".
Strawman: Constructing this false impression of the atheist community to attack as opposed to the actual community itself.

It reminds me forcibly of the argument against bisexuality, when opponents point at the fake bisexual people who're really just nymphomaniacs as opposed to actual bisexual people, and claim that all bisexuals are whores based on their actions.

So I ask you to provide evidence in favour of these accusations that the atheist community is really the dreggs of society you seem to be under the impression we are. Otherwise it's an unfounded insult, and if it's going to descend into that, then christians will hardly come off looking quite so divine either.