(November 9, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Evidence? None.... again. Why am I not surprised?

Eh, rationalman, i am still waiting that you come forward with the evidence that life is finite.
Shell you bring the good news before Christmas?

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(November 9, 2013 at 11:45 pm)Zen Badger Wrote:

(November 9, 2013 at 11:42 pm)enrico Wrote: You show me a single thing that create progress and i will cover you with 24 carat gold.

Anal lubricant. A major step forward in human progress.
And no negatives.

Gee, this is something well outside my expertise as i do not practice these games but is clear that if you invent something that act outside nature then you create one more problem.
Even condoms can not fully avoid contact with excrements and by going faster you may activate the bacteria within.

The smell from this guys bullshit could kill a fly.

(November 9, 2013 at 11:46 pm)enrico Wrote:

(November 9, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Evidence? None.... again. Why am I not surprised?

Eh, rationalman, i am still waiting that you come forward with the evidence that life is finite.
Shell you bring the good news before Christmas?

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(November 9, 2013 at 11:45 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: Anal lubricant. A major step forward in human progress.
And no negatives.

Gee, this is something well outside my expertise as i do not practice these games but is clear that if you invent something that act outside nature then you create one more problem.
Even condoms can not fully avoid contact with excrements and by going faster you may activate the bacteria within.

Outside nature?

Then you'd better get off the internet buddy.

(November 9, 2013 at 11:46 pm)enrico Wrote: Eh, rationalman, i am still waiting that you come forward with the evidence that life is finite.
Shell you bring the good news before Christmas?

And I have explained countless times why I do not need to provide you with any evidence but instead you should provide for us. But of course you don't listen. You didn't even address that point, you just ignored it. A common practice amongst theists when they cannot answer a question or don't know the answer. Or they briefly get a feel of real logic and realise that their religion cannot hold up under this so they protect their psych by just plain denying what is infront of them or wiping their memory clean from the 'dangerous' encounter with logic and reason.

(November 10, 2013 at 8:08 am)Rationalman Wrote:

(November 9, 2013 at 11:46 pm)enrico Wrote: Eh, rationalman, i am still waiting that you come forward with the evidence that life is finite.
Shell you bring the good news before Christmas?

And I have explained countless times why I do not need to provide you with any evidence but instead you should provide for us. But of course you don't listen. You didn't even address that point, you just ignored it. A common practice amongst theists when they cannot answer a question or don't know the answer. Or they briefly get a feel of real logic and realise that their religion cannot hold up under this so they protect their psych by just plain denying what is infront of them or wiping their memory clean from the 'dangerous' encounter with logic and reason.

The logic and reason is that you give evidence to your truth.
If you don't then i will have to assume that your so called truth are the usual bullshit.

(November 9, 2013 at 11:42 pm)enrico Wrote:

(November 9, 2013 at 11:26 pm)whateverist Wrote: In relation to the Science which has done so much to improve our quality of life and to add so much to our understanding of the way the world works, your science bears no resemblance. In relation to the good stuff, your science is still but a thin, oxymoronic shadow.

You strike one more dogma (false truth).
Physical science has done a lot.
A lot to keep the humanity afloat not to create progress.
You show me a single thing that create progress and i will cover you with 24 carat gold.
I already discuss this in previous posts and none could bring forward a single achievement.

I never used the word "progress". We may actually agree on this point. Yes, science has done much to keep humanity "afloat". We now make up an enormous amount of the earth's biomass and we largely dictate what other creatures flourish so that they can feed us. If you are questioning whether this state of affairs is a good thing, so am I.

But that isn't a direct result of modern science. What I did claim is that modern science has given us a huge increase in understanding of how the world works. That understanding has then been exploited by any and all for their own use or profit. In that sense, science has been a Pandora's box. Time will tell if we can wisely manage its bounty. Science never will and never can provide that wisdom as it is value neutral. It can however continue to reveal causal relationships necessary to solve problems, which at least could be useful provided anyone is inclined to solve those problems.

I haven't made any extraordinary claims for science based on the scientific method. You on the other hand have claimed that science based on intuition is transformational. However you have conceded that there is no way for you to support this claim, unless we join you in drinking the kool aid. If you are an example of the transformation I can expect by applying the science of intuition, frankly, I'm not impressed. I would hate to become one more pompous individual convinced he had all the answers and knew what was best but unable to articulate any of that wisdom.

(November 10, 2013 at 9:18 am)enrico Wrote: The logic and reason is that you give evidence to your truth.
If you don't then i will have to assume that your so called truth are the usual bullshit.

Its like arguing with a stubborn five year old with amnesia

Intuitional Science.... is something that can't discern the tunneling effect.
It also can't understand relativistic time dilation.
As such, it is not a valid technique to ascertain reality.

(November 10, 2013 at 10:20 am)whateverist Wrote: I never used the word "progress". We may actually agree on this point. Yes, science has done much to keep humanity "afloat". We now make up an enormous amount of the earth's biomass and we largely dictate what other creatures flourish so that they can feed us. If you are questioning whether this state of affairs is a good thing, so am I.
But that isn't a direct result of modern science. What I did claim is that modern science has given us a huge increase in understanding of how the world works. That understanding has then been exploited by any and all for their own use or profit. In that sense, science has been a Pandora's box. Time will tell if we can wisely manage its bounty. Science never will and never can provide that wisdom as it is value neutral. It can however continue to reveal causal relationships necessary to solve problems, which at least could be useful provided anyone is inclined to solve those problems.

Yes but i would say.........understanding of how the PHYSICAL world works.

Quote:I haven't made any extraordinary claims for science based on the scientific method. You on the other hand have claimed that science based on intuition is transformational. However you have conceded that there is no way for you to support this claim, unless we join you in drinking the kool aid. If you are an example of the transformation I can expect by applying the science of intuition, frankly, I'm not impressed. I would hate to become one more pompous individual convinced he had all the answers and knew what was best but unable to articulate any of that wisdom.

I can understand that you are not impressed.
As i was telling Stimbo so far you had to deal with religion dogmas and in doing this you had a field day as dogmas or false truth are easy to knock down.
When enrico pop up and show you that even you guys float in dogmas then you find everything so strange as you never had to deal with this before.
It happen that when you build up false truth and you carry these false truth all your life then you will not be very impressed when someone show you that they are just dogmas.
Understandable mate.

(November 11, 2013 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote:

Quote:What I did claim is that modern science has given us a huge increase in understanding of how the world works.

Yes but i would say.........understanding of how the PHYSICAL world works.

That is precisely what I had in mind, the physical world and everything supported by the physical world such as the cyber world and consciousness.

(November 11, 2013 at 11:02 am)enrico Wrote:

Quote: If you are an example of the transformation I can expect by applying the science of intuition, frankly, I'm not impressed. I would hate to become one more pompous individual convinced he had all the answers and knew what was best but unable to articulate any of that wisdom.

I can understand that you are not impressed.
As i was telling Stimbo so far you had to deal with religion dogmas and in doing this you had a field day as dogmas or false truth are easy to knock down.
When enrico pop up and show you that even you guys float in dogmas then you find everything so strange as you never had to deal with this before.
It happen that when you build up false truth and you carry these false truth all your life then you will not be very impressed when someone show you that they are just dogmas.
Understandable mate.

Perhaps it is always harder to see ones own dogmas. Maybe you would like to impress us all by demonstrating your recognition of your own dogmas, enrico. From where I sit it is very easy to see what you are floating in and I have no wish to join you. Since ultimately our choices only needs to suit ourselves, I won't try to persuade you to leave the pool of dogma you've chosen fro yourself. Enjoy.