(December 23, 2013 at 3:39 pm)savedwheat Wrote: I don't believe in a deist god because I don't believe a loving God would be an absentee landlord, not revealing himself to us. If it is unethical for us to be absentee landlords it would for God too.

So much for no one knowing the mind of god. Strange? Mysterious? Not with savedwheat around to set us straight.

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(December 23, 2013 at 3:43 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 1:07 pm)whateverist Wrote: Blasphemer! The doughnut is indeed holy. You spoof what you do not understand. The doughnut is perfect precisely because it embodies both being and nothingness, especially the maple frosted ones.

Heretic! Chocolate is the One True Frosting™.

I don't know who you are any more.

(December 23, 2013 at 4:03 am)savedwheat Wrote: I am sure empty space has particles in it so that can't qualify as uncreated.

Ummm... if it has particles in it it's not empty......

(December 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: How does god reveal himself? Through events that you can't explain? Because that is how I know that bigfoot is real. I haven't actually seen him, but I have heard some weird sounds coming from the woods and I saw a bush rustle once. I mean, what else could it be?

(December 23, 2013 at 3:57 pm)savedwheat Wrote: By observing nature.

Nice call, Bad Wolf. You nailed it. (Your post beat buckwheat's by just two minutes.)

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(December 23, 2013 at 7:53 pm)LostLocke Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 4:03 am)savedwheat Wrote: I am sure empty space has particles in it so that can't qualify as uncreated.

Ummm... if it has particles in it it's not empty......

Well now you're just talking sense. Don't confuse the man.

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(December 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 3:52 pm)savedwheat Wrote: Fortunately God reveals Himself so deism is false.

Answer the question or no one's going to believe you.

Someone's going to believe savedwheat? Why?

(December 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm)savedwheat Wrote: What question?

That's more like it.

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(December 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm)savedwheat Wrote: The origin of our universe proves God's existence.

Well sure, provided you already believe fervently in God's existence and no evidence whatsoever could ever dissuade you from that belief. So for you this probably does feel like proof.

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(December 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm)savedwheat Wrote: Christianity has excelled from its earliest days because people think it's evil to kill people like Jesus was killed and the Apostles were killed, but it is not the desire of God any of us suffer. But we who are martyred are remembered and rewarded.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled" (Rev. 6.11).

You remind me a lot of that guy in the bible. You know, the one that comes back zombie-like from the dead. You are just so noble to lay it all on the line to save our undeserving souls. Ahhhh you are just so cute. Yes you are!

(December 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm)savedwheat Wrote: Christianity has excelled from its earliest days because people think it's evil to kill people like Jesus was killed and the Apostles were killed, but it is not the desire of God any of us suffer. But we who are martyred are remembered and rewarded.

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled" (Rev. 6.11).

No that's not true, Jesus loves killing people, check it out, in the gospel of Luke 19:27 which says:

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me."

Cut their heads off before me! You silly guy, why do you not believe in Jesus Christ? You go around, speaking AGAINST your prophet...bad blasphemer.

(December 23, 2013 at 3:27 am)savedwheat Wrote: Ok. At the very basest level God would be uncreated, alone from everlasting, and brought nature into existence.

And if the universe meets those requirements which it very well could, then why the need for a god?
If suppose god to be uncreated, then why not save a step and say the universe is uncreated. After all the big bang is only the beginning of the current state of the universe.
If the universe is uncreated and the big bang only the beginning of the current state, that would make the universe everlasting.
And since the big bang is was the creation of matter and the start of time and the laws of physics, that would mean that the big bang brought nature into existence.

(December 23, 2013 at 5:32 am)savedwheat Wrote: The characteristics of God are that He always existed being uncreated and that He created the universe.

And what is your evidence of that?

(December 23, 2013 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 2:56 am)savedwheat Wrote: Why do atheists have no burden of proof?

Because it is impossible to prove a negative....

It is possible to prove a negative.

Science - Pluto is not a planet
Medicine - Negative test results
Law - Not guilty.

You can certainly prove that something does not exist in the place where it is claimed to exist.

(December 23, 2013 at 9:03 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:

(December 23, 2013 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Because it is impossible to prove a negative....

It is possible to prove a negative.

Science - Pluto is not a planet
Medicine - Negative test results
Law - Not guilty.

You can certainly prove that something does not exist in the place where it is claimed to exist.

Those are really not the same as proving a claim of non-existence, which you know as well as I, is what was meant.

Who the fuck ships felines that way?

(December 23, 2013 at 5:33 pm)savedwheat Wrote: Christianity has excelled from its earliest days because people think it's evil to kill people like Jesus was killed and the Apostles were killed,

...but not like the whole world minus eight people? Or nearly all of the inhabitants of the 'promised land'? Or any of the other countless people god either kills directly or orders his followers to kill? Why would early Christians find killing to be evil? To that point it was clearly their god's strong suit.