(January 23, 2014 at 10:41 am)No_God Wrote: Not to burst your bubble or anything but that's called "luck".

Sorry about your underpants though.

Actually it's call crazy good driving, produced from years of doing power slides and donuts.. That and some Devine nudging back into my lane.

(January 23, 2014 at 10:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 23, 2014 at 10:41 am)No_God Wrote: Not to burst your bubble or anything but that's called "luck".

Sorry about your underpants though.

Actually it's call crazy good driving, produced from years of doing power slides and donuts.. That and some Devine nudging back into my lane.

Actually, it's bad driving... flooring an auto-shift gearbox while turning under wet conditions.... -.-'

(January 23, 2014 at 11:08 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 23, 2014 at 10:45 am)Drich Wrote: Actually it's call crazy good driving, produced from years of doing power slides and donuts.. That and some Devine nudging back into my lane.

Actually, it's bad driving... flooring an auto-shift gearbox while turning under wet conditions.... -.-'

again black ice. You cant tell that its there the road is just a little darker than it normally is.

(January 23, 2014 at 3:06 am)Drich Wrote: Well a few of you have apparently been praying to God even though you claim to be atheists. How do I know? God almost answered one of your prayers yesterday. My wife and I were coming onto the interstate, and there was a car carrier I front of me so I went around him. My truck kicked down into third gear at 60mph and the back tires broke loose. Meaning they started to spin, just the same as if I were trying to do a burn out. Idk if you all have done this at speed before but the car/truck acts quite differently at 60 verse coming off a complete stand still.

Well anyway the truck began to fish tale into the semi next to me and I corrected by turning into the power slide. And let off the gas. Then the truck caught and took us off into the center median, where the grass was very wet which made things like the steering wheel and brakes just something to help you occupy your time with while you wait for death as you slide into on coming traffic at speed. Thankfully there was a sloping embankment we had to bridge before we got to the on coming lane, when we hit it I thought the truck was going to flip, but it didn't. When we started up the other side I floored it spraying mud and rocks on the cars going the other way, then finally the rear tires caught and shot us back towards our orginal lane.

Thankfully the only damage out of the whole mess was to the tightywhities I was wearing (they were totaled) and I think my wife lost two or three years off the end of her life, but the truck was undamaged. So to whom ever has been praying for proof of God in the way of my death or my absence from this forum, I have received a message for you and you can stop now.

Leave it to you to tell a story that would ordinarily generate sympathy if you didn't preface and end it by reminding everyone what an asshole you are.

But you have to do more than be an asshole if you want reasonable people to wish you dead.

I'm glad you're alright btw, that sounds like a very close call.

(January 23, 2014 at 10:17 am)Drich Wrote:

(January 23, 2014 at 6:04 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Let's take a mo' to consider the tremendously idiotic illogic of the OP.

1. The casting of magic spells [read: prayer] is the province of theism, not atheism.

2. The desiring of death for the philosophical opposition is the also the province of theism, not atheism (source: most of human history).

3. If atheists were to pray, it would be that you see reason, not that you and your wife come to harm.

4. The notion that we would pray for you to leave AF is just silly - you're enormously entertaining (the notion that we'd pray for you to leave here also smacks of an inflated notion of self importance).

5. You should have your transmission looked at. Dropping into third gear at 60 MPH doesn't sound at all right.

Boru

well i did have my foot to the floor.. that's kind what happens when you do that with a 5.7HEMI dumping WOT HP into a gearbox.

You do know that putting your foot to the floor when you take off initiates kick down which tells the transmission to go down a gear.

Spend less time praying and more time practicing your driving.

(January 23, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Zen Badger Wrote: You do know that putting your foot to the floor when you take off initiates kick down which tells the transmission to go down a gear.

That's how mine operates, and every other car I've owned with an automatic transmission and an engine capable of putting out decent HP.

I'm glad you weren't hurt. Such a terrible accident would be a tragedy no matter to whom it happens.

(January 23, 2014 at 12:58 pm)rasetsu Wrote:


I'm glad you weren't hurt. Such a terrible accident would be a tragedy no matter to whom it happens.

I'm really glad I didn't hurt any one. I was in a really bad accident 10 years ago and i crippled a woman.

She was sitting at a stop sign screaming at someone on the phone. I was the only Truck (Large box truck) on the road and she waited at the stop sign till I was 10ft from it (my side did not stop) and decided to go without looking while still on the phone. When my big truck hit her little car right behind the driver door, it came open and she flew out and hit my windshield The car spun out to the left and the truck kept going for a while. When I got stopped I looked back and saw her poofy hair on the pavement my heart sank. as i ran towards her I saw she was pinned under the passengerside rear wheel. She was bleeding out of hole in her head. I thought she was going to die. i called the paramedics, (The firehouse was only a mile away and the news helicopter got there first.)
afterwards I pushed the car off her and she was screaming for her mother. So I called her for her and she was trying to tell her what had happened.... The amblance came and rushed her off to the hospitle. I looked for her name in the obituaries for a couple of weeks and never saw it. 3 or 4 years later she came to my house with leg braces and those arm braced crutches wanting to thank me for pushing the car off her. She said she did not remember any of it, and I told her it's proably better that way. She asked what happened and I told her. She said she had several surgeries and is learning to walk again. that she would proably need a cane the rest of her life...

I m glad that nothing like that happened again. i would have perfered to run the truck off the bridge embankment than go into another bunch of cars.

Thankfully when the sh_t hits the fan things seem to slow down for me and I can make level headed desisions.. I would hate to think of what might have happened if we both had our hands over our eyes.

Firstly Drichy, glad you're ok > despite what some people may occasionally post in jest, I very much doubt that anyone would wish death or injury upon you. I can't say as i've ever heard of an atheist murdering a theist on the grounds of intolerance towards the theist's theism. I understand that in your world of literal prayer and sin cycles, you are convinced that there is some deeper meaning to your terrifying experience (and indeed most things that happen in your life). But, seeing as this IS an atheist forum, and that you've decided to SHARE your experience with us, it is nevertheless our duty to scrutinise your response to even this most earthly of earthbound events.

(January 23, 2014 at 9:20 am)Drich Wrote: A couple things, I was willing to pray for 'whatever it took' for you guys to find God this included AIDS or cancer or anything else. (Health, wealth, wife, strife, life..) why? Because again this is what it took for me. I went into the negative on all of these things, and now on the other side I have been blessed with an abundance of all five. What ever you hold closest to your heart, you must be willing to let go.

Ok, i'll duck the patronising undertones to this paragraph and address your straight up hopes and desires. Firstly i've gotta say it would be deeply naive of you to assume that negative things haven't already happened to atheists on this forum. Any randomly selected sample group from the population at large will contain a huge number of people who have experienced loss, ill-health, torment etc. Clearly, challenging circumstances haven't clouded our ability to reason. I recently had bad medical news, ironically concerning the very field of work that I am involved in (albeit at a low level); pathology/genetics. However, because of my understanding of the way the world works, I don't attempt to read meaning in to things that just don't contain meaning. Surely it is painfully obvious even to you that good things happen to bad people, and bad things happen to good people. Clearly, there is no correlation between prayer/good deeds and rewards/punishments in the real world. Robert Mugabe leads a lavish lifestyle whilst many thousands of good christians live in abject poverty. Again, you're convinced that god has decided to make a relatively mediocre life in to something really great (as with you), whilst he refuses to make intolerable lives at least barely endurable. Every time an honest, decent christian dies after months and even years of miserable suffering, a nail is banged in to the coffin of prayer-reward deception. How on earth can you explain why god makes your life better, when tens of thousands of decent people who did exactly as you did (prayed and followed scripture to the T) appear to be rewarded with cholera, diptheria, rape, torture and mutilation? We're talking women and children here too, the victims of war crimes etc. Even if you believe it was worth it to receive reward in an afterlife, why in the here and now are you prioritised whilst people live in relatively worse conditions than those you experienced even at the hardest times in your life? Not to take anything away from your strife, trust me i've been there, but with the benefit of hindsight my worst times still couldn't have compared to being gang-raped and battered on a daily basis, enduring mental and physical anguish on an insurmountable level. How could you be so naive as to believe that god's selection criteria make any sense at all? Clearly, god does not answer prayers with any rational consistency, and indeed, probably doesn't exist at all.

Ironically, the poorest part of the planet - Africa, is experiencing the worst AIDS epidemic conceivable, worse than on any other continent. Why on earth would you wish a progressive and terminal illness on someone in the hope that it would help them find god? Do I even need to point out the glaringly obvious fact that many christians, who endure the most impoverished conditions imaginable, already suffer from AIDS, and Cholera, and Diptheria, and Nodding fever, and any number of miserable illnesses that kill people in their millions. Many of these ailments are easily treatable in the developed world, but such is the misery of the third world that something as straight forward as a stomach bug or the flu can be fatal. How can you wish such awful awful things on people, when there are already christians (that's right, people who already found god) afflicted with such dire misery who aren't being elevated to even a barely tolerable standard of living, HERE, IN THE REAL WORLD? As you read this post, take a guess at how many christian women are being gang-raped and murdered, take a guess at how many new young men are contracting HIV without even realising it? Good people, who never did anything wrong? This isn't so much the folly of christianity, it's why we find views like yours utterly disgusting. Clearly yours is a troubled soul, it has caused you to espouse some morally reprehensible shit, and you should be deeply ashamed of yourself for wishing such horrors on good, decent people (especially when your fellow christians are afflicted with the very same horrors). I don't pray but I hope that one day you realise that you have dedicated your life to a complete delusion. Grow up, and realise that car accidents are a mere fact of life and have nothing to do with prayer or sin, and understand this, even at our lowest of lows, we aren't nearly so purile as to wish incurable diseases on gullible buffoons such as you. I left that shite behind on the playground, I suggest you do too.