(February 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And I think the point of some would have been that the evidence for your god you put forward, is not good enough

And they are more than welcome to hold that view. It doesn't stop God from existing.

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things." (Rom 1:18-23)

Quoting that garbage book will get u NO where...

(February 14, 2014 at 2:59 pm)The Good News Wrote: I believe if God wanted to turn a flea into an elephant He could do it. Absolutely. Though I do not believe, even for a second, that life evolved in the way that Darwin theorised.

That's a real pity for you then, because evolution is a confirmed, biological fact. We can literally watch it happening, in some cases. Denying it now is the same as denying that the sky is blue, or that you need air to live.

Quote:Can I ask how you believe life began?

I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend that I do either. So far, the evidence points to abiogenesis, but I'm comfortable in accepting that we don't have a definitive answer yet.

Quote:Even though I will definitely hold it as untrue if it contradicts the Bible.

Why would I even bother, then? Why would you even bother coming here? If you're happy to seal yourself away from rational conversation, to make your beliefs impenetrable to reason and facts, and to work solely from unjustified presuppositions, then why don't you just sit in a room with a bible and pat yourself on the back over and over while telling yourself how right you are?

Nobody is going to take you seriously if you stick to this sentiment. If your mission here is to share the words of your god with us, then you've failed as long as you keep this presupposition, because now you have no credibility. We value honesty here, and if your position is "The bible's right, and if any fact disagrees with it, then it's wrong, because the bible's right," then you have an inherently dishonest position, and we will not take you seriously.

(February 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 4:37 pm)truthBtold Wrote: Are u soft?

Well you tell me. Is something only true when evidence is given for it?

It's not true if no evidence is given for it. In that instance, it would be a possibility, at best.

If there is no way that it can be disproven, it's not a possibility which is likely enough to be worth examining, and your only actual justification for believing it is true is your wish that it was true.

Ironically, The Good News likely believes Darwin theorized that elephants evolved from fleas, but rejects it as a miracle only God is capable of performing.

(February 11, 2014 at 4:27 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 11, 2014 at 4:26 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Oh, look, somebody trained a monkey to type bible verses. How adorable.

Well according to atheism everyone is a monkey.

What did you think we were, sheep? Of course we're classed with monkeys. Consult any comparative anatomy text you like and you'll find that our 'design' is most akin to monkeys. If you don't believe that is because of evolution you are welcome to believe that god was just monkeying around when he put us together.

(February 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: No, but you should only believe in something if there is evidence for it.

I could give you evidence for something which is true, and you could outright reject that evidence. It wouldn't stop the thing that is true from being true.

Yet when asked for proof fo your deity we've always received nothing but claims from incredulity and ignorance.

(February 14, 2014 at 4:57 pm)The Good News Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And I think the point of some would have been that the evidence for your god you put forward, is not good enough

And they are more than welcome to hold that view. It doesn't stop God from existing.

No more than your believing as you do stops the world as I experience it from existing.

Pro-tip: stop trying so hard to save me from the consequences of my choices and I'll leave off telling you how absurd yours seem from my perspective. Nobody here cares what you believe on a hunch. Nor do we appreciate your condescending concern which really amounts to nothing more than your lame ass attempt to curry favor with god. It is insulting and an unappreciated imposition.

Well, I can see this thread doesn't require my presence. I'll watch from the wings for any god-squad bullshit you guys might miss.

(February 15, 2014 at 3:07 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 2:59 pm)The Good News Wrote: I believe if God wanted to turn a flea into an elephant He could do it. Absolutely. Though I do not believe, even for a second, that life evolved in the way that Darwin theorised.

That's a real pity for you then, because evolution is a confirmed, biological fact. We can literally watch it happening, in some cases. Denying it now is the same as denying that the sky is blue, or that you need air to live.

Quote:Can I ask how you believe life began?

I don't know, and I'm not going to pretend that I do either. So far, the evidence points to abiogenesis, but I'm comfortable in accepting that we don't have a definitive answer yet.

Quote:Even though I will definitely hold it as untrue if it contradicts the Bible.

Why would I even bother, then? Why would you even bother coming here? If you're happy to seal yourself away from rational conversation, to make your beliefs impenetrable to reason and facts, and to work solely from unjustified presuppositions, then why don't you just sit in a room with a bible and pat yourself on the back over and over while telling yourself how right you are?

Nobody is going to take you seriously if you stick to this sentiment. If your mission here is to share the words of your god with us, then you've failed as long as you keep this presupposition, because now you have no credibility. We value honesty here, and if your position is "The bible's right, and if any fact disagrees with it, then it's wrong, because the bible's right," then you have an inherently dishonest position, and we will not take you seriously.

Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact. God created different creatures after their "kind." We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher. The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transformation.

---

(February 16, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Beccs Wrote:

(February 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm)The Good News Wrote: I could give you evidence for something which is true, and you could outright reject that evidence. It wouldn't stop the thing that is true from being true.

Yet when asked for proof fo your deity we've always received nothing but claims from incredulity and ignorance.

God said that Creation itself testifies that there is a Creator.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Evolution THEORY is a theory not a fact.

Evolution is a fact. The Theory of Evolution is a theory. The one describes the other; they are not interchangeable.

Similarly, the Theory of Gravity describes the fact of gravitational attraction.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God created different creatures after their "kind."

Good, then you can define the classification "kind" for us.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: We could see some changes happen after generations like skin pigmentation

Yep; that's evolution.

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: but nothing close from one kind changing into another kind -- like a frog evolving into a gopher. The fossil record shows no such evidence of that kind of transformation.

How about a reptile evolving into a bird?

(February 16, 2014 at 10:56 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: God said that Creation itself testifies that there is a Creator.

How convenient for you. The creator exists because the creation proves the creator exists. Now demonstrate that this creator is "God".