Exactly. I didn't think Mao was killing 'in the name of atheism'.

Xtians however, are usually shouting it from the rooftops when they hang you. Oh but they're not true christians. Whatever.

Quote:charging the jews for passage away from England and dumping them in tidal spur halfway between England and France then inviting them to swim the rest of the way. Jews didn't return to England until Oliver Cromwell invited them back in.

Sounds like some sort of a game

(March 21, 2014 at 2:30 pm)tor Wrote:

Quote:charging the jews for passage away from England and dumping them in tidal spur halfway between England and France then inviting them to swim the rest of the way. Jews didn't return to England until Oliver Cromwell invited them back in.

Sounds like some sort of a game

Quote:The Jews of London started their long journey to the coast "under the custody of the Lord King," bearing the Scrolls of the Law, "una cum libris suis" (at one with their book). On board ship, at Queenborough, at the mouth of the Thames, ship's anchor was cast at ebb-tide and the ship grounded on a sandbank. The ship's Master then invited his passengers to stretch their legs. When the tide reversed direction so did the Master, climbing back on board while telling the helpless Jews that they "ought to cry unto Moses, by whose conduct their fathers passed through the Red Sea." The Jews all drowned but the Master also met a bad end. He was hanged when the pious Edward learned of his mockery and manslaughter.

Ok so maybe i got the swimming to france bit wrong but I think I got the gist.

(March 21, 2014 at 1:47 pm)tor Wrote:

(March 21, 2014 at 6:42 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: What frost says.

It's a valid question, but contains a logical landmine. There is an implied post hoc ergo propter hoc error, that because theists / atheists killed more it was because they did so BECAUSE they were atheists / theists.

Without looking it up I believe chairman Mao tops the body league table, what was he?

Mao didn't intend kill people he just fucked up with his economy and people starved. Shit happens.

If you count policy fuck ups, then count Winston Churchill of the Church of England - canonized, if not virtually deified amongst the Anglo Saxon world - killed 3.5 million Indians during WWII, and subsequently expressed sentiments to the effect of "good, they are a worthless no good race anyway".

British policy fuck ups, if we count documented cavalier acceptance of predictable and predicted consequences in return for securing control and extracting profits from natives as mere fuck ups, were responsible for at least 10 million famine related deaths in India during during the 1800s in the course of the little 500 year old island empire's "civilizing mission" on a subcontinent with 4500 year history of civilization.

Do we get to add that to the Christian side of the ledger?

What about Christian Belgium's depradations in Congo?

Or how about the Christian, in the very cross waving, local priest burning way Christian, conquest of central and South America, in which upwards of 100 million natives died? Christian side of ledger?

Are you wondering whether christians or atheists are more likely to commit murder? Or are you asking solely about numbers? Because if the latter, the causation is weak between being an atheist and motivation for murder. A better question would be "Have more atheists committed murder in the name of atheism than Christians in the name of Christianity?"

Of the 20th century's big four megaolmaniacal dictators: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot; only Stalin was unequivocally an atheist. Hitler was at least a Christian-y deist, and the other two were Buddhists (Tibetan and Theravayan, respectively). who referred to heaven as a real place and Mao once mentioned the 'Great God' was going to call him soon.

Of course, Christians to atheists is an apples-and-oranges comparison...Christians to humanists would be the more relevant comparison these days.

(March 21, 2014 at 4:08 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Of the 20th century's big four megaolmaniacal dictators: Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot; only Stalin was unequivocally an atheist. Hitler was at least a Christian-y deist, and the other two were Buddhists (Tibetan and Theravayan, respectively). who referred to heaven as a real place and Mao once mentioned the 'Great God' was going to call him soon.

Of course, Christians to atheists is an apples-and-oranges comparison...Christians to humanists would be the more relevant comparison these days.

No, Mao is as atheist as they come. He usage of "Great God" was almost assuredly figurative, much as Mikhail Gorbachev spoke of "God on high", or modern Chinese communists speak of death as "going to see Marx".

The following is just my personal opinion -

Humans were killing each other long before Christianity was invented. If religions had never developed humans would still have fought over territory and resources for the past 2,000 years. If I waved a magic wand so everyone suddenly became an atheist our species would continue to have wars over territory, resources or some ideology or other.

(March 19, 2014 at 8:17 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: In the 20th Century, who is responsible for the death of more people, Christians or Atheists?

Place your vote.

By Christians I don't mean every moron like Adolf Hitler who was baptized. Hitler was as Christian as he was a fucking monkey.

(if this needs to go to a debate forum please move it. Gratias!)

Sorry - but YOU are just another example of a person who defines people based on the way they WANT to
But Hitler was INDEED a Christian - his writings indicate that he believed that his god APPROVED of his actions
THere is NO need for a move of forums - YOU are just Wrong

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(March 21, 2014 at 5:33 pm)ThomM Wrote:

(March 19, 2014 at 8:17 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: In the 20th Century, who is responsible for the death of more people, Christians or Atheists?

Place your vote.

By Christians I don't mean every moron like Adolf Hitler who was baptized. Hitler was as Christian as he was a fucking monkey.

(if this needs to go to a debate forum please move it. Gratias!)

Sorry - but YOU are just another example of a person who defines people based on the way they WANT to
But Hitler was INDEED a Christian - his writings indicate that he believed that his god APPROVED of his actions
THere is NO need for a move of forums - YOU are just Wrong

THe problem with your question is NOT the beliefs of people in Question - but what was the motivation for their actions
Lots of Christians killed because of belief in their god
It has never been established that others killed to eliminate belief in gods

IT is clear that Mao - and others - were killing to maintain POLITICAL control - and it was killing for their politics - not their lack of beliefs in imaginary spirits.

But the question was not "who killed more in the name of their ideology" was it . It was simply "we killed more".