(April 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm)tor Wrote: So there is something real which you can see but the rest of us cannot? Well shit.

IKR?

(April 4, 2014 at 5:51 pm)ShaMan Wrote:

(April 4, 2014 at 5:48 pm)tor Wrote: So there is something real which you can see but the rest of us cannot? Well shit.

IKR?

This soul stuff you talk about is just your imagination.

(April 4, 2014 at 6:41 pm)tor Wrote:

(April 4, 2014 at 5:51 pm)ShaMan Wrote: IKR?

This soul stuff you talk about is just your imagination.

I know that's what you believe, and just as I will not attempt to change your beliefs, so I will not have mine changed by another. I won't tell you that you're wrong - I see both realms. In the physical realm logic demands that my beliefs are pure imagination. In the spiritual realm imagination becomes reality. I don't expect you to understand.

(April 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm)tor Wrote: I was talking to a theist today and he brought up argument from design, first cause and argument from ignorance.
I debunked them and he said he doesn't give a fuck he will be a theist anyway also he said atheists suck.
Same arguments for 10 billion times. Same "I don't care I will believe anyway". Same "atheists suck".
Again and again and again. It's like I'm watching same movie over and over.
Same shit that was 1 year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. No difference whatsoever.

Why is there no progress?

The better question would be why do you see it as 'progress'?

I'm not aware the human race has set itself any targets regarding these issues.

MM

(April 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm)tor Wrote: I was talking to a theist today and he brought up argument from design, first cause and argument from ignorance.
I debunked them and he said he doesn't give a fuck he will be a theist anyway also he said atheists suck.
Same arguments for 10 billion times. Same "I don't care I will believe anyway". Same "atheists suck".
Again and again and again. It's like I'm watching same movie over and over.
Same shit that was 1 year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. No difference whatsoever.

Why is there no progress?

Just tell the other person that you believe in Zeus, Odin, or some other deity like Baal. And then convert him to that belief.

(April 4, 2014 at 4:38 pm)tor Wrote: Well kalam was invented 500 years ago or so.
So there was at least SOMETHING new 500 years ago. In science there is constantly something new. Theory of relativity for instance was discovered some 100 years ago. Puancare conjecture in math was solved in 1982.
But in theology there is absolutely nothing. Seems like they run out of ideas some 400 years ago.

The Poincaré conjecture wasn't proven until 2003, but the point is valid.

(April 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm)tor Wrote: I was talking to a theist today and he brought up argument from design, first cause and argument from ignorance.
I debunked them and he said he doesn't give a fuck he will be a theist anyway also he said atheists suck.
Same arguments for 10 billion times. Same "I don't care I will believe anyway". Same "atheists suck".
Again and again and again. It's like I'm watching same movie over and over.
Same shit that was 1 year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. No difference whatsoever.

Why is there no progress?

And yet when I ask you for an original thought you can't come up with anything

(April 5, 2014 at 11:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(April 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm)tor Wrote: I was talking to a theist today and he brought up argument from design, first cause and argument from ignorance.
I debunked them and he said he doesn't give a fuck he will be a theist anyway also he said atheists suck.
Same arguments for 10 billion times. Same "I don't care I will believe anyway". Same "atheists suck".
Again and again and again. It's like I'm watching same movie over and over.
Same shit that was 1 year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. No difference whatsoever.

Why is there no progress?

And yet when I ask you for an original thought you can't come up with anything

I am not the only genius on the planet remember?

(April 5, 2014 at 11:02 am)fr0d0 Wrote:

(April 4, 2014 at 3:53 pm)tor Wrote: I was talking to a theist today and he brought up argument from design, first cause and argument from ignorance.
I debunked them and he said he doesn't give a fuck he will be a theist anyway also he said atheists suck.
Same arguments for 10 billion times. Same "I don't care I will believe anyway". Same "atheists suck".
Again and again and again. It's like I'm watching same movie over and over.
Same shit that was 1 year ago. 5 years ago. 10 years ago. No difference whatsoever.

Why is there no progress?

And yet when I ask you for an original thought you can't come up with anything

When people have refuted the same arguments and claims for 2000 years, there's not much new to say.

Unless you have something new to contribute.

(April 5, 2014 at 11:23 am)tor Wrote: I am not the only genius on the planet remember?

Yes I remember... you can't help it if your genius ideas have all already been said...