I thought that was a good summary of what you guys have been saying about the Big Bang. I've asked several questions about it and those comments were summaries of the answers I've received. I thought that it was a scientific theory and not "God did it by magic" religious theory that's straight out of Genesis chapter 1.

I realize that it's an imposition but maybe someone such as yourself would be so kind as to explain how the Universe can be larger than what it's supposed to be if it's age is based on the speed of light being constant. And how the Big Bang created the black holes that anchor the stars into galaxies. I'm curious as to how the distant galaxies are the same age as the universe when that means that the galaxies would have be have been formed as complete units very shortly after the Big Bang.

Will you be so kind as to be my tutor? Thank you.

No. Go read up on relativity, basic cosmology and astrophysics.

At this point, you're only misrepresenting what's been said. Whether that's due to a complete lack of basic understanding of the theory or just being an obtuse as shower, I have no idea - nor do I particularly care. Either way, when you're academically prepared to even have an opinion on the matter perhaps I'd be willing to discuss it.

Until then, you get mockery - because that's what your willfully ignorant opinion deserves.

(June 29, 2014 at 2:01 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So hydrogen came first, created the stars, something happened to caused the stars to form black holes, and the black holes assembled the random stars into galaxies. And all of that happened in less than a minute after the Big Bang? And then the galaxies zoomed across the void at over three times the speed of light but the ones in our area can't go that fast because their strong gravities attract them to each other.

I'm learning so much from this discussion. Thanks to everyone who has shared his Big Bang knowledge with me.

You ready for another serving of arguing my point for me? I'm all about trolling trolls. Just tell me, in your own words, no need for any sources or links - what part of the example you just described sounds the most ludicrous to you, and why? I'm not going to bother correcting your statement for now, I probably won't have to later either. You'll handle it for me.

I was really hoping that you could explain this space expanding process that moves distant galaxies at over three times the speed of light but doesn't affect our solar system. I have to tell you, that scares the hell out of me. Imagine the moon zipping three times its current distance from us in the next nanosecond. NASA better get on the ball and attach it with a chain so it won't get away in case we get a local space expansion.

That space expansion process is the prefect mechanism for faster than light space travel. All you have to do is to go to a pace that will expand and, just like that, you're zooming through space at three times the speed of light. And when you want to return all you have to do is repeat the process.

NP, I'll start from the bottom and work my way up.

You are already standing at a place that is "traveling" via expansion - faster than the speed of light. You don't notice this locally, because of your frame of reference (pretty much being nil as far as frames of reference go) - your position amongst the stars is probably imperceptible to you, as it is to most other human beings - as is the experience of rotating, wobbling, and revolving around the sun simultaneously. But more than that, all of this "stuff" around is is holding on to itself, gravity at play. Our grouping, as viewed from another grouping - would appear to be moving away from us as fast that grouping appears to be moving away from us, from here.

So the question I'm going to ask you is this. Have you ever watched a pile of debris move in a body of water? How might the behavior of that pile of debris provide a rough analogy for the observed behavior of stars and groupings within the observable universe?

So are you saying that since we are all traveling faster than the speed of light it seems that we are basically standing still unless we are looking at distant objects?

I'm still confused about the space expansion process. If space is expanding why don't we see its effects in our local area? We are colliding with galaxies for some reason when they should all be moving farther apart from each other.

Can you clarify this?

(June 29, 2014 at 3:43 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: So are you saying that since we are all traveling faster than the speed of light it seems that we are basically standing still unless we are looking at distant objects?

I'm still confused about the space expansion process. If space is expanding why don't we see its effects in our local area? We are colliding with galaxies for some reason when they should all be moving farther apart from each other.

Can you clarify this?

Google is your friend. https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=if+...e&safe=off

Our field of view may be expanding because of improved technology and that may seem like space is actually expanding into the void. If space was really expanding then the expansion would be apparent within our own solar system to the same degree that it affects the Universe. There's no evidence of that within our solar system.

(June 28, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: A Catholic priest concocted the Big Bang Theory and it's a religious theory of creation. That's why it doesn't make any sense except to gullible people.

Oh, dear. Looks like we'll have to disregard the theory of evolution as well because -

Muqaddimah - Biology

Quote:The Muqaddimah, also known as the Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun (Arabic: مقدّمة ابن خلدون, meaning in English: Ibn Khaldun's Introduction) or Ibn Khaldun's Prolegomena (Greek: Προλεγόμενα), is a book written by the Arab, North African Muslim historian Ibn Khaldun in 1377 which records an early view of universal history.

Some of Ibn Khaldun's thoughts, according to some commentators, anticipate the biological theory of evolution.[41] Ibn Khaldun asserted that humans developed from "the world of the monkeys", in a process by which "species become more numerous" in Chapter 1 of the Muqaddimah:[41]

This world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless.

One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group.

The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.[42]

Evolution Of Primates

Quote:Evolutionary history of the primates can be traced back 65 million years.[71] The oldest known primate-like mammal species,[72] the Plesiadapis, came from North America, but they were widespread in Eurasia and Africa during the tropical conditions of the Paleocene and Eocene.

David Begun[73] concluded that early primates flourished in Eurasia and that a lineage leading to the African apes and humans, including Dryopithecus, migrated south from Europe or Western Asia into Africa. The surviving tropical population of primates, which is seen most completely in the upper Eocene and lowermost Oligocene fossil beds of the Faiyum depression southwest of Cairo, gave rise to all living species—lemurs of Madagascar, lorises of Southeast Asia, galagos or "bush babies" of Africa, and the anthropoids: platyrrhine or New World monkeys, catarrhines or Old World monkeys, and the great apes, including humans.

This is obviously religious bullshit because a 14th century Muslim thought that humans are related to monkeys. hock:

(June 29, 2014 at 2:45 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: That space expansion process is the prefect mechanism for faster than light space travel. All you have to do is to go to a pace that will expand and, just like that, you're zooming through space at three times the speed of light. And when you want to return all you have to do is repeat the process.

It's how the warp drive works on the enterprise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive

and NASA are working on it.

http://www.design-engineering.com/genera...ept-131758