(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Interesting responses... my point wasn't to come up with a solution to the military strategy, more to get an agreement that there's a problem that needs dealing with? seems some of you don't think so?

If the Islamic state gets a foothold, then apart from riding roughshod over any middle east country in it's way, it is committing genocide. That must be enough for us to intervene? We're not talking about one individual dictator to remove for oil purposes. We're talking about protecting human life - there can be nothing more important surely?!

If a significant Islamic sharia state is formed, it can only embolden other borderline extreme muslims to act and press for change where they live...

The message needs to be that religious dominance is not welcome anywhere on this beautiful planet... surely?

People wants most of all what works.

Unfortunately, the appearent failure of secular nationalism in protecting the interests and attaining the aspiration of the, for the lack of better world, islamdom, discredited secularism in the eyes of many Muslims and led to the resurgence of theocratic tendencies.

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(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: We're talking about protecting human life - there can be nothing more important surely?!

In reality, almost everything that allows those who lust for power to enjoy power is more important to the power seeker than some other human's life.

Quote:In reality, almost everything that allows those who lust for power to enjoy power is more important to the power seeker than some other human's life.

Never heard it expressed better. Well done.

Boru

(September 13, 2014 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:In reality, almost everything that allows those who lust for power to enjoy power is more important to the power seeker than some other human's life.

Never heard it expressed better. Well done.

Boru

But not right?

(September 13, 2014 at 2:30 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(September 12, 2014 at 6:28 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Personally, I think it's time!

The jihadists are mobilised, and have secured billions of dollars and much military hardware. The caliphate is their aim, the west is literally asleep to it all!

It is (IMHO) time to strike back in no uncertain terms...

Obama is a blocker for sure (as Is any mainstream politician!..) but someone needs to move and remove this onerous threat and ASAP !

The countries that supply them with the military hardware are the real problems. If they didn't sell them arms they wouldn't have too much to fight with. Then throw in the various folks who supply them with money
and you have a real mess on your hands. Eliminate those groups and and it'll be a lot easier to take out the terrorists. Since the dummies in the CIA are always supplying bad guys with guns and money it might be a good idea to start with them.

Most of the weapons mentioned by the OP (MiGs and tanks) were captured from the Syrian military -- and the Iraqi military, now.

I agree that we ought not be supplying arms to any Muslim rebels, anywhere, at any time.

(September 13, 2014 at 6:35 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(September 13, 2014 at 6:27 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Never heard it expressed better. Well done.

Boru

But not right?

No, it happens to be perfectly correct. What's your miniscule problem with what he said?

Boru

This is a regional problem not the first shots of the next global war. I think the US is obliged to help fight IS after the debacle of Iraqi Freedom. Cruise missiles, drones, and airstrikes paired with Special Forces and Forward Air Controllers is plenty if this is going to be a multilateral action.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: The message needs to be that religious dominance is not welcome anywhere on this beautiful planet... surely?

So you are opposed to Israel as well as ISIS? We might agree on something after all.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Interesting responses... my point wasn't to come up with a solution to the military strategy,

When you talk about another world war you’re not only choosing a military strategy as a solution but you are also escalating it to a whole new level.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: u're to get an agreement that there's a problem that needs dealing with? seems some of you don't think so?

No offense but we talk about that very problem every day in this forum so believe me we are very aware of the problem itself.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: We're not talking about one individual dictator to remove for oil purposes.

By already admitting that the oil was a purpose tell me do you think that the dictator part was the main reason? Or that those who declared that war cared about that? Or that those very people will care about them?

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: If the Islamic state gets a foothold, then apart from riding roughshod over any middle east country in it's way, it is committing genocide. That must be enough for us to intervene? We're talking about protecting human life - there can be nothing more important surely?!

And why should we change a Islamic genocide for an American one? Because when we say intervene you know how many blood will be spilled? By us. Remember our enemies at the end of the day are still humans.
Or do you think that the ones who will die in that war will be only soldiers?

Or that the conflict will be only on the battlefield?

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: If a significant Islamic sharia state is formed, it can only embolden other borderline extreme Muslims to act and press for change where they live...

It sound logical however it's not that simple nor easy. Global politics are very unsteady.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: The message needs to be that religious dominance is not welcome anywhere on this beautiful planet... surely?

And you think that if a country were the majority are Christians(as America) suppress an Islamic country won't be misinterpreted as a religious dominance?

Oh and let's not forget. That you assume that we can win that war because?
Only those who think they can win the war are the ones who want to start one. You have any idea how many civilizations through history thought were invincible?

(September 13, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Zidneya Wrote:

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Interesting responses... my point wasn't to come up with a solution to the military strategy,

When you talk about another world war you’re not only choosing a military strategy as a solution but you are also escalating it to a whole new level.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: u're to get an agreement that there's a problem that needs dealing with? seems some of you don't think so?

No offense but we talk about that very problem every day in this forum so believe me we are very aware of the problem itself.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: We're not talking about one individual dictator to remove for oil purposes.

By already admitting that the oil was a purpose tell me do you think that the dictator part was the main reason? Or that those who declared that war cared about that? Or that those very people will care about them?

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: If the Islamic state gets a foothold, then apart from riding roughshod over any middle east country in it's way, it is committing genocide. That must be enough for us to intervene? We're talking about protecting human life - there can be nothing more important surely?!

And why should we change a Islamic genocide for an American one? Because when we say intervene you know how many blood will be spilled? By us. Remember our enemies at the end of the day are still humans.

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Or do you think that the ones who will die in that war will be only soldiers?

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Or that the conflict will be only on the battlefield?

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(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: If a significant Islamic sharia state is formed, it can only embolden other borderline extreme Muslims to act and press for change where they live...

It sound logical however it's not that simple nor easy. Global politics are very unsteady.

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: The message needs to be that religious dominance is not welcome anywhere on this beautiful planet... surely?

And you think that if a country were the majority are Christians(as America) suppress an Islamic country won't be misinterpreted as a religious dominance?

Oh and let's not forget. That you assume that we can win that war because?

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Only those who think they can win the war are the ones who want to start one. You have any idea how many civilizations through history thought were invincible?

Wow, didn't expect so an expansive non-answer.. it's ok cleverly shouting someone down, but have you got anything to put in it's place?

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(September 13, 2014 at 8:32 pm)tjakey Wrote:

(September 13, 2014 at 5:05 pm)lifesagift Wrote: The message needs to be that religious dominance is not welcome anywhere on this beautiful planet... surely?

So you are opposed to Israel as well as ISIS? We might agree on something after all.

You've made a connection that's not there... IS want me to convert or die, Israel is happy if I leave them to it !

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(September 13, 2014 at 7:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

(September 13, 2014 at 6:35 pm)lifesagift Wrote: But not right?

No, it happens to be perfectly correct. What's your miniscule problem with what he said?

Boru

Boru, your attitude to me is not acceptable... let's redraw the line and at least try to be civil. The use of the word "miniscule" is unfair...


I am happy to discuss anything with you... can we try again my friend?

(September 14, 2014 at 4:13 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(September 13, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Zidneya Wrote: When you talk about another world war you’re not only choosing a military strategy as a solution but you are also escalating it to a whole new level.
No offense but we talk about that very problem every day in this forum so believe me we are very aware of the problem itself.
By already admitting that the oil was a purpose tell me do you think that the dictator part was the main reason? Or that those who declared that war cared about that? Or that those very people will care about them?And why should we change a Islamic genocide for an American one? Because when we say intervene you know how many blood will be spilled? By us. Remember our enemies at the end of the day are still humans.

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Or do you think that the ones who will die in that war will be only soldiers?

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Or that the conflict will be only on the battlefield?

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It sound logical however it's not that simple nor easy. Global politics are very unsteady.
And you think that if a country were the majority are Christians(as America) suppress an Islamic country won't be misinterpreted as a religious dominance?

Oh and let's not forget. That you assume that we can win that war because?

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Only those who think they can win the war are the ones who want to start one. You have any idea how many civilizations through history thought were invincible?

Wow, didn't expect so an expansive non-answer.. it's ok cleverly shouting someone down, but have you got anything to put in it's place?

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(September 13, 2014 at 8:32 pm)tjakey Wrote: So you are opposed to Israel as well as ISIS? We might agree on something after all.

You've made a connection that's not there... IS want me to convert or die, Israel is happy if I leave them to it !

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(September 13, 2014 at 7:29 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, it happens to be perfectly correct. What's your miniscule problem with what he said?

Boru

Boru, your attitude to me is not acceptable... let's redraw the line and at least try to be civil. The use of the word "miniscule" is unfair...


I am happy to discuss anything with you... can we try again my friend?

Einstein (I believe) once said that a textbook definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. So, no, I don't see any point in 'trying again'.

And don't throw the word 'friend' at me so freely. That is not acceptable to me (see what I did there?).

Boru