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Why Would God Hide?
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 (September 10, 2014 at 11:17 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Ok, let's entertain the notion that "God" is not hidden. So where is it? Give me something I can point to and compare against non-god things.point of the story is that evidence via the 5 senses wouldn't be verifiable. one poster said they would have to ask a few questions first but that wouldn't help to establish proof. the first 2 working together is plenty to establish God's existence; 3 and 4 is additional verification. some have a willful disbelief but feign an intellectual problem with the data, others admit the truth. of course there is problem with the truth, like the poet wrote: it like dust, it keeps hanging around, just can't get rid of the stuff. 1. " through nature --- for since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen. 2. through a person’s conscience - the spirit, or mind. the sense of right and wrong testifies. 3. scripture is the His revelation. 4. through the person of Jesus Christ."
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
I have no beliefs in a god, but if I was a god I would be hiding also, who could put up with all those nuts bringing their shopping lest and wanting this and that day and night.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 16, 2014 at 2:00 am
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2014 at 2:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
1. " through nature --- for since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen.
-what are those attributes specifically and where can they be clearly seen? In parasitic wasps, bot flies, and tapeworms perhaps? 2. through a person’s conscience - the spirit, or mind. the sense of right and wrong testifies. -testifies to what, that they have a sense of right and wrong, what does that have to do with some second party? 3. scripture is the His revelation. -which scripture, and how do you know that it is his revelation? 4. through the person of Jesus Christ." -the person of whom? You know the guy, have talks...does he come over for beer and brats on sunday and bitch about the Buccs? Your soul making theodicy from the last page, btw....you're probably going to want to ditch that if someone sinks their teeth into it. It will end up saying things about your god that are likely to be unacceptable to you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
There is seldom anything to be gained in attempting to have a true believer see logic, especially if they imagine the texts they work from weren't authored by members of our species and have never been tampered with by the many opposed branches of Christianity.
The Human Race is insane.
 (September 16, 2014 at 1:32 am)snowtracks Wrote: some have a willful disbelief but feign an intellectual problem with the data, others admit the truth.You dodged my response to your earlier mention of those four points, then have the audacity to make a claim like this, then repeat the four points as if they haven't been challenged. I'm just pointing this out, so people can see just how much of a weasel you are.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould  (September 16, 2014 at 1:37 am)psychoslice Wrote: I have no beliefs in a god, but if I was a god I would be hiding also, who could put up with all those nuts bringing their shopping lest and wanting this and that day and night. Bruce Almighty had an answer for that one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0cG11lTS1E
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense. RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 16, 2014 at 7:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2014 at 8:03 pm by snowtracks.)
(September 16, 2014 at 6:37 am)Tonus Wrote:those responses were absolutely brilliant but non-sequiturs.(September 16, 2014 at 1:32 am)snowtracks Wrote: some have a willful disbelief but feign an intellectual problem with the data, others admit the truth.You dodged my response to your earlier mention of those four points, then have the audacity to make a claim like this, then repeat the four points as if they haven't been challenged. I'm just pointing this out, so people can see just how much of a weasel you are. (September 16, 2014 at 2:00 am)Rhythm Wrote: 1. " through nature --- for since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen.2. conscience - what one is seeing in nature is confirmed by a person's mind/spirit that God is eternal. 3. scripture - by reading, one come to an understanding that humans are made in God's image and the end purpose of man is to give glory to God. 1 & 4 are derogatory.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
(September 16, 2014 at 7:48 pm)snowtracks Wrote: those responses were absolutely brilliant but non-sequiturs.That's just more of the same. You don't want your thinking challenged, you just want to talk at us. The objections to your points do not go away just because you place your hand over the screen.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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