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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 16, 2014 at 11:26 pm
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Firstly, why should 1 or 4 be derogatory?
In 1 I simply supplied some examples of nature - which is where you said I would find evidence of his attributes.
In 4 I suggested ways in which you might know this person. After all, that's how I know a great many people. I take it he isn't a drinking buddy and you aren't a Buccs fan (get out)?
Quote:2. conscience - what one is seeing in nature is confirmed by a person's mind/spirit that God is eternal.
I see botflies and tapeworms and parasitic wasps in nature.....not eternal gods. I've been told that the former can tell me about the latter.......
Quote:3. scripture - by reading, one come to an understanding that humans are made in God's image and the end purpose of man is to give glory to God.
I actually came to a different understanding, that god was created in mans image...and that some of us simply wish to be slaves.  hrugs: To be fair, the latter part didn;t come directly from scripture, but in the way that people handled scripture. What I got from scripture itself (regarding purpose) was that the author was a very, very lonely person.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 17, 2014 at 7:10 am
(September 16, 2014 at 7:48 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (September 16, 2014 at 6:37 am)Tonus Wrote: You dodged my response to your earlier mention of those four points, then have the audacity to make a claim like this, then repeat the four points as if they haven't been challenged. I'm just pointing this out, so people can see just how much of a weasel you are. those responses were absolutely brilliant but non-sequiturs.
(September 16, 2014 at 2:00 am)Rhythm Wrote: ..
Your soul making theodicy from the last page, btw....you're probably going to want to ditch that if someone sinks their teeth into it. It will end up saying things about your god that are likely to be unacceptable to you. 2. conscience - what one is seeing in nature is confirmed by a person's mind/spirit that God is eternal.
3. scripture - by reading, one come to an understanding that humans are made in God's image and the end purpose of man is to give glory to God.
1 & 4 are derogatory.
Snowtracks, Your answers are becoming completely pathetic. It's almost as if you don't have a direct contact or relationship with the god who is all knowing. Is your prayer line on the fritz? Why can't you just ask Jesus directly why he hides? Don't you fucking talk to him anymore??
Why does he hide from you?
If I claimed I had a personal relationship with Michelle Obama and I claimed to talk to her daily, but then couldn't answer anything about her that wasn't published in the written media, you'd call me a liar, and rightfully so.
The sad part would be if I didn't recognize myself as a liar.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 17, 2014 at 9:46 am
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(September 17, 2014 at 7:10 am)Brakeman Wrote: If I claimed I had a personal relationship with Michelle Obama and I claimed to talk to her daily, but then couldn't answer anything about her that wasn't published in the written media, you'd call me a liar, and rightfully so.
The sad part would be if I didn't recognize myself as a liar. The sad part is the religious often do have the experience of 'talking to' their deity or a manifestation of such an entity. A form of madness maybe but one our species has been prone to since the first witch-doctors and possibly earlier.
In his "The Dark Side of God" Douglas Lockhart tells us at the beginning of the chapter 'The Still Small Voice" :-
"In his quite extraordinary book The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of The Bicameral Mind, Julain James cites some figures on auditory and visual hallucinations recorded during the last century in England. Using only normal people in good health these studies, it was shown that out of 7,717 men, and 7.599 women, hallucinations were experienced in 7.8 and 12 percent of the groups respectively. Oddly enough, twice as many visual hallucinations as auditory were recorded and such experiences were most frequent between 20 and 29 years of age. Jaynes points out that this is the exact age at which schizophrenia generally appears. . . . . . . . . . . for our purposes, however, his most important observation is that 'Hallucinations must have some innate structure in the nervous system.' Even schizophrenics profoundly deaf from birth can apparently experience auditory hallucinations, and these can range from the voice of God to that of angels, devils, enemies or dead relatives"
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion. that they should believe a lie: 2nd Thesolonians CH:2,V:11.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 19, 2014 at 11:35 am
(September 17, 2014 at 7:10 am)Brakeman Wrote: (September 16, 2014 at 7:48 pm)snowtracks Wrote: those responses were absolutely brilliant but non-sequiturs.
2. conscience - what one is seeing in nature is confirmed by a person's mind/spirit that God is eternal.
3. scripture - by reading, one come to an understanding that humans are made in God's image and the end purpose of man is to give glory to God.
1 & 4 are derogatory.
Snowtracks, Your answers are becoming completely pathetic. It's almost as if you don't have a direct contact or relationship with the god who is all knowing. Is your prayer line on the fritz? Why can't you just ask Jesus directly why he hides? Don't you fucking talk to him anymore??
Why does he hide from you?
If I claimed I had a personal relationship with Michelle Obama and I claimed to talk to her daily, but then couldn't answer anything about her that wasn't published in the written media, you'd call me a liar, and rightfully so.
The sad part would be if I didn't recognize myself as a liar.
Maybe his invisible magic phone to God has run out of minutes? 
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 20, 2014 at 8:20 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 11:35 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (September 17, 2014 at 7:10 am)Brakeman Wrote: Snowtracks, Your answers are becoming completely pathetic. It's almost as if you don't have a direct contact or relationship with the god who is all knowing. Is your prayer line on the fritz? Why can't you just ask Jesus directly why he hides? Don't you fucking talk to him anymore??
Why does he hide from you?
If I claimed I had a personal relationship with Michelle Obama and I claimed to talk to her daily, but then couldn't answer anything about her that wasn't published in the written media, you'd call me a liar, and rightfully so.
The sad part would be if I didn't recognize myself as a liar.
Maybe his invisible magic phone to God has run out of minutes? "If I claimed I had a personal relationship with Michelle Obama" - get out, just claim it and we would be totally impressed.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 20, 2014 at 11:16 pm
(September 7, 2014 at 9:46 pm)professor Wrote: The answer to the "Hiding" question is the same as the answer to the "Knocking" post.
Moses knew God face to face, and even he blew it when he had to step out in faith, and speak to the Rock ( he blew it by smacking the rock ( a type of Christ) like he did before, when he was supposed to speak to it).
It is nearly like a game- and it is ALWAYS our move.
The blinders come off (or should I say- the revelation increases) as we play the game.
I hate to use the word- "Game" but another parallel escapes me.
Yes, He does "Hide" and we, like little kids playing "Hide and Seek" are supposed to seek.
Maybe that is why "Child- likeness" is commended.
Two things:
First why hide?
Second, don't the children playing hide and seek know there is an it? That's rather different than seeking the great pumpkin don't you think?
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 21, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(This post was last modified: September 21, 2014 at 5:26 pm by Madness20.)
I believe that god hiding would have alot to do with our "free will" or possibly incapacity to show himself more evidently, also, would it really be a positive thing to god to show himself?
Why would a god reveal itself? If we had religious wars over imaginary gods, imagine how it'd be with certainty of him. xD
Certainly, i think, it makes no difference for him if the universe does follow his purposes anyway.
I read a short story yesterday from Isaac Asimov called the Last Answer. Interesting stuff, the conclusion kind of makes alot of sense in itself. Our purpose xd.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 21, 2014 at 5:37 pm
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Meh, if he could pop down and clear some shit up, that would be swell. If he can't, then I have doubts as to whether or not he deserves the title - but I sympathize with his situation (as any creature capable of experiencing isolation and loneliness would). Brings up an interesting line of wondering - what if god has lost his shit - might go a long way towards explaining things here and there?
(that's a good short btw, you an Asimov fan?)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 21, 2014 at 6:07 pm
(September 21, 2014 at 5:37 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, if he could pop down and clear some shit up, that would be swell. If he can't, then I have doubts as to whether or not he deserves the title - but I sympathize with his situation (as any creature capable of experiencing isolation and loneliness would). Brings up an interesting line of wondering - what if god has lost his shit - might go a long way towards explaining things here and there?
(that's a good short btw, you an Asimov fan?) Well i'm not speaking necessarily for my own beliefs, but pantheism suggests that god "transformed" into the universe in order to create, and so the universe is a "phase" where he sacrificed his "being" temporarily in order to become the creation itself.
One of the interesting things i find that makes sense to me in Last Answer, is suggesting that God created the universe to think for him. xD.
I mean, not humanity for sure, but i believe that artificial intelligence for example can have close to unlimited self-improvement. Who knows, our purpose would actually be to create a "multivac" after all. xD
And that would lead us to "The Last Question" by Isaac Asimov. Interesting stuff too, xD.
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RE: Why Would God Hide?
September 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm
(September 21, 2014 at 5:16 pm)Madness20 Wrote: I believe that god hiding would have alot to do with our "free will" or possibly incapacity to show himself more evidently, also, would it really be a positive thing to god to show himself?
Why would a god reveal itself? If we had religious wars over imaginary gods, imagine how it'd be with certainty of him. xD
Certainly, i think, it makes no difference for him if the universe does follow his purposes anyway.
I read a short story yesterday from Isaac Asimov called the Last Answer. Interesting stuff, the conclusion kind of makes alot of sense in itself. Our purpose xd.
Pretty mind blowing story eh? I'd also recommend nightfall if you have not read that yet. I robot is amazing too, especially the ones with Stephen.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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