(September 16, 2014 at 5:32 pm)lifesagift Wrote:

(September 16, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Chas Wrote: More like 400 years. They have yet to experience The Enlightenment,

And the parents of Foley, Sotloff and Haines, would they have wanted to wait until the area "sorted itself out"?

It is 100 million people's area to determine when, what and how to sort out, and it is not for 3 set of parents' to say.

Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

- "let 'em sort it out themselves" - it would be nice, and everything does eventually doesn't it? The sea will win!
- "muslims are the biggest victim of all this" - so what? I want there to be no perpetrators which equals NO VICTIMS !
- "it's 100m people to decide" - well no, they can't and are killing each other and potentially threatening me. We need to stop extreme islam.

You lot need to read more... there are reports of jihadi fighters who are now threatening to come back "home" and wreak havoc in London... but I'm sure you lot will have a succinct, smart response ready to fire off !

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

You lot need to read more...

And people say that I'm an ass.

(September 17, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Zidneya Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

You lot need to read more...

And people say that I am a prick.

Ok lol, fair point.
But it is only my opinion..... and some of the things I've read, I don't believe, are solved by high level generic quotes like "let them sort it out".

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

- "let 'em sort it out themselves" - it would be nice, and everything does eventually doesn't it? The sea will win!
- "muslims are the biggest victim of all this" - so what? I want there to be no perpetrators which equals NO VICTIMS !
- "it's 100m people to decide" - well no, they can't and are killing each other and potentially threatening me. We need to stop extreme islam.

You lot need to read more... there are reports of jihadi fighters who are now threatening to come back "home" and wreak havoc in London... but I'm sure you lot will have a succinct, smart response ready to fire off !

Yeah, but you just want to start ww3, which will solve this problem how? There is only one way to end a guerrilla war, and it is not something that any of want, and is vastly complicated by the fact that Pakistan has nukes. You see historically the most effective way to end a guerrilla is heavey handed retributions like leveling a entire city, or gassing a mall. Do you really want to be in that sort of war?

(September 17, 2014 at 3:28 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

- "let 'em sort it out themselves" - it would be nice, and everything does eventually doesn't it? The sea will win!
- "muslims are the biggest victim of all this" - so what? I want there to be no perpetrators which equals NO VICTIMS !
- "it's 100m people to decide" - well no, they can't and are killing each other and potentially threatening me. We need to stop extreme islam.

You lot need to read more... there are reports of jihadi fighters who are now threatening to come back "home" and wreak havoc in London... but I'm sure you lot will have a succinct, smart response ready to fire off !

Yeah, but you just want to start ww3, which will solve this problem how? There is only one way to end a guerrilla war, and it is not something that any of want, and is vastly complicated by the fact that Pakistan has nukes. You see historically the most effective way to end a guerrilla is heavey handed retributions like leveling a entire city, or gassing a mall. Do you really want to be in that sort of war?

No, I don't want any sort of war. I want to live in, and see my kids grow up in a fantastic technological and scientifically vibrant world.

But IS and their interpretation of their religious manual is taking us back to the middle ages, but with very modern weaponry, and I want it to stop ASAP. They are beyond mediation and reason, so the only recourse possible (IMO) is to deploy special forces, drones and air attacks and destroy every evidence of their existence. Until the threat to a peaceful world stops.

(OK, I'm not a lawyer, or great writer, so forgive semantic errors and all that, and take this as a principle only)

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

- "let 'em sort it out themselves" - it would be nice, and everything does eventually doesn't it? The sea will win!
- "muslims are the biggest victim of all this" - so what? I want there to be no perpetrators which equals NO VICTIMS !
- "it's 100m people to decide" - well no, they can't and are killing each other and potentially threatening me. We need to stop extreme islam.

You lot need to read more... there are reports of jihadi fighters who are now threatening to come back "home" and wreak havoc in London... but I'm sure you lot will have a succinct, smart response ready to fire off !

The alternative to letting them sort it out and slowly bringing them into the 21st century is an overwhelming use of force. And I do mean overwhelming. Total war. Use of WMDs. That would stop the problem. However we won't do that. We have moved on past that point since the 1940's. But this area hasn't. And more reserved military action isn't going to sway them. So, since wholesale slaughter is morally reprehensible, the best option is to allow them to come into the rest of the world slowly, and on their own.

(September 17, 2014 at 3:45 pm)Natachan Wrote:

(September 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)lifesagift Wrote: Some fantastically unhelpful responses folks...

- "let 'em sort it out themselves" - it would be nice, and everything does eventually doesn't it? The sea will win!
- "muslims are the biggest victim of all this" - so what? I want there to be no perpetrators which equals NO VICTIMS !
- "it's 100m people to decide" - well no, they can't and are killing each other and potentially threatening me. We need to stop extreme islam.

You lot need to read more... there are reports of jihadi fighters who are now threatening to come back "home" and wreak havoc in London... but I'm sure you lot will have a succinct, smart response ready to fire off !

The alternative to letting them sort it out and slowly bringing them into the 21st century is an overwhelming use of force. And I do mean overwhelming. Total war. Use of WMDs. That would stop the problem. However we won't do that. We have moved on past that point since the 1940's. But this area hasn't. And more reserved military action isn't going to sway them. So, since wholesale slaughter is morally reprehensible, the best option is to allow them to come into the rest of the world slowly, and on their own.

With the greatest of respect, have you read beyond the front page of a newspaper? Have you heard of the caliphate? Have you read testimonies of jihad fighters, from the UK who are ready to come back to the UK and die as martyrs?

They are not looking to fight in their own arena, they want to take over the whole world !!!!

ISIS is evidence that education is important (science, history and everything else)

(September 17, 2014 at 3:51 pm)DramaQueen Wrote: ISIS is evidence that education is important (science, history and everything else)

With respect, what education?
At an early age, 2/3/4 they start reciting the quran. And as they go to prayer, they get preached at. You aren't going to change that...

It would be like asking my mum how tall she was in metres !