Are the cherries you're picking from the bible at least ripe?

(November 3, 2014 at 10:20 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Are the cherries you're picking from the bible at least ripe?

I doubt you even know what the conversation is about...

Something something Christians are peaceful something <bad guy> wasn't really a Christian.

(November 3, 2014 at 10:28 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Something something Christians are peaceful something <bad guy> wasn't really a Christian.

Not really.
The OP basically stated that if it wasn't for the Atheists in this country during ww2, the Christians would of helped Hitler exterminate the Jews. Ironically the only major "Atheist" country at the time killed three times the amount of people Hitler did.

which brings us to the "Christian' mass murderer vs the "Atheist" mass murdered debate.

(November 3, 2014 at 12:34 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 2, 2014 at 10:49 pm)TRJF Wrote: I think the point is that if we're trying to argue atheism v. christianity by saying "well, [christian despot] killed 10 million people but [atheist despot] killed 20 million people" then we're missing the point

Actually I would argue that there aren't any "Christians" with a high body count.

Quote:Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

An apple tree can't claim to be an apple tree if it produces oranges.

If a person claims to be a "pacifist" but has a body count in the millions, is he really a pacifist?

Quote:Matthew 19:18
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

So why then, is one considered a Christian when he clearly does not follow the teachings of Christ?

Right, and you're saying what I said, that <bad guy> isn't a Christian because Christians are peaceful.

(November 3, 2014 at 10:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Right, and you're saying what I said, that <bad guy> isn't a Christian because Christians are peaceful.

But, you implied I was cherry picking. The scriptures I posted were relating to how a Christian should act. My point was, if their behavior is killing people when Jesus plainly states to "do no murder" or when the Bible say that murderers will not enter heaven:

Quote:
Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Atheists still insist that a person that does this is a "christian" even though it's contradictory.

God (who is also apparently Jesus) also commanded the deaths of plenty of people, in addition to straight up genociding the world himself.

(November 3, 2014 at 11:24 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: God (who is also apparently Jesus) also commanded the deaths of plenty of people, in addition to straight up genociding the world himself.

Doesn't he not have that right? If the creator placed a man on the earth with a set of rules to abide by, and the man turns to devil worship (which the old Pagan gods were, Baal, Belial, Molech and so on), that he can't punish them? You do realize for instance that people were sacrificing their children to Molech?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

Quote:As a god worshipped by the Phoenicians and Canaanites, Moloch had associations with a particular kind of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents. Moloch figures in the Book of Deuteronomy and in the Book of Leviticus as a form of idolatry (Leviticus 18:21: "And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Moloch"). In the Old Testament, Gehenna was a valley by Jerusalem, where apostate Israelites and followers of various Baalim and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2–6).

You're saying God the supreme Judge, doesn't have the right to remove these people from the earth?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baal_%28demon%29

Quote:Baal (/ˈbeɪl/ BAYL; sometimes spelled Bael, Baël (French), Baell) is in 17th Century goetic occult writings one of the seven princes of Hell. The name is drawn from the Canaanite deity Baal mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as the primary god of the Phoenicians.

(November 3, 2014 at 10:18 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 3, 2014 at 9:42 am)dyresand Wrote: Because NO.
pac·i·fist
ˈpasəfəst/
noun
1.
a person who believes that war and violence are unjustifiable.
"she was a committed pacifist all her life"
synonyms: peace-lover, conscientious objector, passive resister, peacemaker, peacemonger, dove
"you know, even pacifists can support their nation's armed forces"
antonyms: warmonger
adjective
adjective: pacifist
1.
holding the belief that war and violence are unjustifiable.

why even if it is the utmost situation where their lives are being threatened. i can see them maybe killing their attacker or harming them if they don't stop trying to harm them. Otherwise they will try to talk them out of it because its the right thing to do. I mean you only get one life if you believe in reincarnation well you don't want to be coming back as someone that is less well off.

Exactly (see rhythm, wasn't that hard), use that same logic, except swap "pacifist" with "Christian" and you get my point. As you can see that one of the synonyms for "pacifist" is "peacemaker", let's see what Jesus said about peacemakers.

Quote:Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

no no no NO

this is a typical picture of a crusade they ravage the hill side killing men woman children taking the virgins raping them. Oh your Christians aren't peaceful silly.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-ri...-white-men
there is more than that but you see my point. my hands are clean with my dogma of not believing in a god or having any faith.
you cant put Christianity into the religion of a pacifistic dogma it doesn't mix. Christians are violent people i'm not saying most are but there is those out there who are and even the history of the religion itself its not peaceful. Jesus said love everyone but that is something Atheists do better than Christians. we atheists are the least selfish we are more loving and accepting we avoid violence we try not to speak out in rage but sometimes you guys make us. we avoid conflict unless it thrown at us and we are expecting off it. Then here is the bible rape woman you want pay the father 50 shakels lets see how much a wife would cost in USD about $13.15 congrats you got a wife for dirt cheap. well when it comes to atheist dogma you the rapist are not getting a wife your going to be a sexual predator and will get jail time and a ankle bracelet. Then objective morality it doesn't exist its more subjective we just have laws to keep people in line. atheists countries have a far lower crime rate than a country with a religion because forgiveness from a deity is always exploited so people can do terrible things and get away with it. Like what Hitler did a modern day crusade and killing the jews he did it for god and because the jews had to much power and that Germany lost WW1. Christianity is not a clean by any means a clean religion and neither does it support pacifism there is enough passages there in the bible to kill a person if he is gay or well looks a persons wife with the intention of coveting them.

(November 3, 2014 at 11:18 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(November 3, 2014 at 10:59 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Right, and you're saying what I said, that <bad guy> isn't a Christian because Christians are peaceful.

But, you implied I was cherry picking. The scriptures I posted were relating to how a Christian should act. My point was, if their behavior is killing people when Jesus plainly states to "do no murder" or when the Bible say that murderers will not enter heaven:

Quote:
Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Atheists still insist that a person that does this is a "christian" even though it's contradictory.

Has the person confessed in his heart to Christ the Savior? Isn't that the qualification for being a Christian?

Do good acts suffice without the confession? If it's acts alone, we can discount the Savior bit. If the belief is required, you cannot dismiss their faith based solely on their misdeeds. After all, Christian doctrine asserts that all men are fallen sinners and need redemption.

Who are you to say that their sins are so heinous that they will not be saved by your god?