Ok I am a responder and benefit from the dialogue. So I am here for me and like the exchange for what it is.

I do and can see the inside of all the major religions and kind of understand them for what they try to do, which is just a bit better than transparent, I would say. It is just philosophy for me and that is why I am here.

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(December 27, 2014 at 7:01 pm)abaris Wrote: You're propagating a so called buffet religion. Picking elements from everything crossing your mind and presenting it here, on an atheist board of all places.

Catholic doctrine says this about Jesus death: All this He endured willingly for our salvation.

You also ignored the pope quote I posted eralier where he, in one sentence, numerously mentioned the word christianity in connection with Catholic faith. Catholicism is christian, to claim otherwise is taking a page from the evangelist book, who deny the Catholics the status of real christians.

See, what you're doing here? You call yourself Catholic and don't even understand the basics of what that means. Not that I have a real problem with that, since it doesn't matter to me if you believe in Donald Duck. But you're going around, throwing some unrelated bits and pieces around and hope that someone picks up on the garbage.

What is Poe?
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Someone playing on being a christian while in truth he's something entirely different. Mostly used for undercover atheists. Not that much different from a troll.
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It is true that I can mix and match religions, and I am not here to convince anyone.

And yes, Grade 1 Catechism is also different then some later stuff, and I do agree that you can do much with Catholicism as not bound by limits on her own.

And OK then, I am nothing, for all I care and do not know the name of the last 5 or maybe 10 priests that we had. I never go there I really know very little about the surface of Catholicism but understand the underpinnings very well.

Who cares, just read what I have to say and shoot holes in that.

Oops sry, I think that this response does not belong here but I have to go and cannot fix that now.

(December 27, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Lambert Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 2:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: But I'm not an anti-theist; I'm just not a theist. Hence a-theist. By the same token I'm not an anti-female simply because I happen to be male. You're ascribing to me positions I don't claim to hold. That's astonishingly dishonest.

Ok, but does the a- prefix not specifically deny being a theist then?

You can be nothing or anything and everything except a theist when you declare yourself as atheist. And yes you can be a boy, a girl, a male female or anything in between but not a theist when you call yourself an atheist. So already you need to know what a theist is before to deny to be one yourself as atheist.

Which, of course, is nonsense.

The label is irrelevent, I'll grant that much. What the ascriptions to that label mean however is not. I've lacked any sort of belief or indeed concept of a 'God' since day 1 of my existence. I've always been an atheist; I've never once been a theist. Every single God concept that's been proposed to me has been found wanting and has not passed my minimum standard of evidence which I require to make me believe there might be something to it.

Do you understand this?

(December 27, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Lambert Wrote: Ok, but does the a- prefix not specifically deny being a theist then?

You can be nothing or anything and everything except a theist when you declare yourself as atheist. And yes you can be a boy, a girl, a male female or anything in between but not a theist when you call yourself an atheist. So already you need to know what a theist is before to deny to be one yourself as atheist.

A theist is one that believes in god or gods. There is no god, therefore I am not a theist, but rather an atheist.

(December 27, 2014 at 6:33 pm)Lambert Wrote: Don't worry about theist and atheist. I accept that atheism can be just a fear of America's culture influence by religion, from a distance even
and I would agree with you on this.

Pardon me? I don't recall ever saying anything like this. Whoever you're agreeing with appears to be stuffed with straw. It certainly isn't me; this is the second time you've ascribed a position onto me that I never claimed to hold. You don't get a third.

As for the Jesus flippancy in my signature, I don't even accept your godboy existed; neither as an historical figure and certainly not as a pseudo-intellectual wizard who could do cheap party tricks but didn't know the difference between mental illness and demons. So whatever my sig told you was in your head, not mine. Please keep it there instead of projecting it onto me.

(December 27, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Lambert Wrote: Who cares, just read what I have to say and shoot holes in that.

It's already got more holes than a swiss cheese. And everything you dreamed up to throw it at us has been presented before in a more coherent fashion.

So, you're not here to convince anyone. You just hack away on your keyboard and whatever comes out is supposed to make no impression? Is that what we are to believe?

(December 27, 2014 at 11:48 am)abaris Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 11:46 am)Stimbo Wrote: Thanks; now I have Gloria Gaynor in my head...

Yes, me too.

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(December 27, 2014 at 4:50 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 4:49 pm)robvalue Wrote: It's not that Brucer again is it?

He was "fun".

For me he sounds like an evengelical playing catholic.

That's what I thought, too. Either that, or he's the most ignorant Catholic ever.

(December 26, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Losty Wrote: It's funny because when I went to a Catholic Church they seemed to think Catholics were the only true Christians. Now I'm finding out that Catholics aren't even Christian at all. Well, those damn impostors.

That's an absolute lie! And I'd appreciate it if you would give me the name of that Catholic church.

Never, EVER have I witnessed that in a Catholic church. Protestant church? YES!

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(December 27, 2014 at 4:46 pm)abaris Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 4:40 pm)Lambert Wrote: I suppose that is the point I am trying to make in what Catholicism is all about, with my Christ-with-us, in that we potentially are God in our own right to be.

Right, care to tell me, where you get your wisdom from? Honestly you sound fake, since everything you said so far in this thread isn't based on catholic dogma or doctrine. The above is the most peculiar claim no catholic that I know of would ever make.

Also there's the bible not being important, Jesus being a mere man and not the son of god, catholicism not being christian. Everything at odds with catholic believes.

So either you follow the most peculiar brand of catholicism not accepted by the Vatican or you're simply something different.

Agreed. I've never seen this kind of distortion from a true Catholic or Christian.

My theory is that someone is "bored"..... but I wouldn't say that someone was a Christian or a Catholic. At least not in a truthful sense.

It surprises you that one set of Christians consider themselves the only true set of Christians? This is one of the oldest tales told in all of religion, so it shouldn't be shocking that denominations preach the same thing.

(December 28, 2014 at 11:56 pm)Elskidor Wrote: It surprises you that one set of Christians consider themselves the only true set of Christians? This is one of the oldest tales told in all of religion, so it shouldn't be shocking that denominations preach the same thing.

And you will not hear those words in a Catholic church! Just ask the Protestants! They will readily admit that about Catholics!

(December 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:

(December 27, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Lambert Wrote: Ok, but does the a- prefix not specifically deny being a theist then?

You can be nothing or anything and everything except a theist when you declare yourself as atheist. And yes you can be a boy, a girl, a male female or anything in between but not a theist when you call yourself an atheist. So already you need to know what a theist is before to deny to be one yourself as atheist.

Which, of course, is nonsense.

The label is irrelevent, I'll grant that much. What the ascriptions to that label mean however is not. I've lacked any sort of belief or indeed concept of a 'God' since day 1 of my existence. I've always been an atheist; I've never once been a theist. Every single God concept that's been proposed to me has been found wanting and has not passed my minimum standard of evidence which I require to make me believe there might be something to it.

Do you understand this?

Ok sure, I have never been a theist either and never knew that word until I came to Canada. I was never asked to believe anything about God so how can I be either theist or atheist?

We were told stories, I suppose, but were never asked to believe any of that.