(January 15, 2015 at 10:25 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: It must be very comforting to remain in that child like world that we all once knew where fairies and magic crossed into reality in our minds in those first few formative years as our imaginations developed.

Even though I never really read the bible, we did have one of those picture ones for children. I don't remember, even when I learnt to read, ever imagining something like Noah and the flood to be actually true. It was placed alongside all my other fictional books and fortunately I had parents that didn't make it permanantly cross over into reality.

I sometimes wonder what it's like in your world Drich. To be an adult (I presume) but still have child like wonderment. To be trapped in a world where gods and angels really do exist but never show themselves. Just like when my children were younger and imagined pixies at the bottom of our garden but always just missed actually getting a glimpse of one.

It must be a wonderful place to be Drich so stay there by all means but don't let your make-believe thoughts spill over if there are grown-ups about because you just look silly.

(January 15, 2015 at 10:33 am)dyresand Wrote:

(January 15, 2015 at 10:31 am)Chad32 Wrote: Yes, I remember the pause. You can almost hear him thinking "How can I put this in the least stupid way possible?"

At this point i believe and i strongly believe Ken Ham is a fraud and he is just using Christianity as a front to earn stupid peoples money and you know what its working. Something like this is in Europe he would a laughing stock. Even Peter Popoff in Europe gotten into real deep legal troubles for taking money and he can get away with it here whats up with that.

I have heard that the idea of creationism and a literal view of the bible is a mostly american thing. Aren't I so proud of my country?

(January 15, 2015 at 10:33 am)Spooky Wrote:

(January 15, 2015 at 8:51 am)Drich Wrote: You can post them here

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Oh, and then there is this:
http://youtu.be/a_wIKiOgk10

This was the nat-geo video that didn't work in the op's first link

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That's wishful thinking stimbo.

From here it looks like the collective answer so far is a big nuh-uh! The floods not real, so their couldn't be a boat on top of a mountain!

Looks like more youtube education. This is probably completely made up.

After some digging i found the link again http://scienceblogs.com/tfk/2010/04/29/f...on-mt-ara/
@OP read this

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(January 15, 2015 at 10:38 am)Chad32 Wrote:

(January 15, 2015 at 10:33 am)dyresand Wrote: At this point i believe and i strongly believe Ken Ham is a fraud and he is just using Christianity as a front to earn stupid peoples money and you know what its working. Something like this is in Europe he would a laughing stock. Even Peter Popoff in Europe gotten into real deep legal troubles for taking money and he can get away with it here whats up with that.

I have heard that the idea of creationism and a literal view of the bible is a mostly american thing. Aren't I so proud of my country?

I am very proud of our scientists but i am surly not proud of the idiots who wave the banner of religion.

We have some great scientists. Bill Nye is awesome. I grew up watching Bill Nye the Science Guy, and it might be worth it to find those episodes online. It's just that we have a few too many on the other extreme, and some of those have governmental powers.

I would have loved to be at that debate, and shout Bill! Bill! Bill!...

(January 15, 2015 at 10:44 am)Chad32 Wrote: We have some great scientists. Bill Nye is awesome. I grew up watching Bill Nye the Science Guy, and it might be worth it to find those episodes online. It's just that we have a few too many on the other extreme, and some of those have governmental powers.

I would have loved to be at that debate, and shout Bill! Bill! Bill!...

Bill on default won that debate. But Ham had the ignorance of people and ontop of that the creationist musuem grounds at that too, not a real fair debate arena. if i was there man i would be asking for his autograph when its all over.

So Drich finds Babylonian myth convincing now too?

There was not a chance in hell that Bill would be able to convince Ken of his position, especially since Ken is dishonest instead of just ignorant, but maybe he made at least one person in the audience really think about what they believed.

There were youtube videos about 20 questions people from the debate had, and some of them were pretty stupid, so the ignorance and dishonesty was certainly thick in that room.

Hopefully it did help in the long run. I know I enjoyed seeing Bill Nye again. It had been a while since that 90's show.

(January 15, 2015 at 8:35 am)Drich Wrote: The atheist response so far:

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That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. At best, seeing a boat somewhere and just saying "that's Noah's ark," with no evidence or reason to believe that, is just a fiat assertion based in an argument from ignorance. Not knowing what the thing is, does not make it the ark by default. All the other things have natural explanations with much higher probabilities of being true (in that they're physically possible, where the ark is not) and again, at best they're an argument from ignorance, because "we don't know how this happened," which is the best that can be said about Krish's links, does not automatically mean that the first thing asserted near them is true.

As it happens though, these ark assertions were dismissed with evidence, that's right there on the first page above you. So not only are you being a smug anus, you're also being a fucking liar.

I'm not sure what merited Drich thinking we were panicked.

I'm sure it's not projection.

Quote:I am very proud of our scientists but i am surly not proud of the idiots who wave the banner of religion.

I was just taking a shot at somebody's complete refusal to believe anything from youtube could be legitimate.