(March 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(March 17, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Scientists don't get carte blanche to redefine a word.

Uh, I'm pretty sure that they actually do, when they're using the word in a scientific context. Words have different meanings when discussing different things; if you didn't have your dishonest little con game to play, you wouldn't have any issue recognizing this.

Quote:Aeronautics is a fact, but we don't use theory to explain how an airplane flies.

You make this too easy: ever heard of aerodynamic theory? Aeronautics is actually comprised of multiple theories coalesced into a single discipline.

Hold up, are you stating that aeronautics and aerodynamics are the same thing?

(March 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Gray Tree Frogs cannot breed with Cope's Gray Tree Frogs,

Explain what you mean by "cannot breed"? are you saying that they are so genetically different that they are incompatible, or that they are simply isolated from each other? Also provide your source.

(March 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The genetic difference between different nationalities is negligible, regardless of your gibbering.

About as negligible as your tree frog example.

(March 17, 2015 at 3:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

Quote:Aeronautics is actually comprised of multiple theories coalesced into a single discipline.

Hold up, are you stating that aeronautics and aerodynamics are the same thing?

B mine.

Oh for fuck's sake Huggy. You're either being rankly dishonest or you really need to learn some reading comprehension.

Literally, from wikipedia:

Quote:A significant part of aeronautical science is a branch of dynamics called aerodynamics, which deals with the motion of air and the way that it interacts with objects in motion, such as an aircraft.

B and I mine.

(March 17, 2015 at 3:27 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(March 17, 2015 at 3:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Hold up, are you stating that aeronautics and aerodynamics are the same thing?

B mine.

Oh for fuck's sake Huggy. You're either being rankly dishonest or you really need to learn some reading comprehension.

Literally, from wikipedia:

Quote:A significant part of aeronautical science is a branch of dynamics called aerodynamics, which deals with the motion of air and the way that it interacts with objects in motion, such as an aircraft.

B and I mine.

So they aren't the same thing then? simple yes or no question.

(March 17, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 12, 2015 at 5:25 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: I know you'll ignore this as you've ignored everything else I've said that you've been unable to refute, but I'll try anyway...

Scientific theories are not (as you faithers would have us believe) on par with guessing. "But, it's just a theory!!!1!11!!!"

No, a scientific theory is the framework upon which the facts pertaining to said theory are hung.

Gravity is a fact.
Germs that spread disease are a fact.
Evolution is a fact.

Gravitational theory is how we explain our understating of how gravity works.
Germ theory is how we explain our understating of how germs spread disease.
Evolutionary theory is how we explain our understating of how evolution works.

Please stop using the word theory in a scientific context as if it means "wild assed guess." It makes you look so incredibly ignorant that many will refuse to take you seriously.

Or, are you so stupid that you put germ theory and gravitational theory on the same "it's just a wild assed guess" level as you do evolutionary theory?!?

Aeronautics is a fact, but we don't use theory to explain how an airplane flies.

The first step in the scientific method is observation, as I said one species evolving into a completely different species (meaning unable to produce offspring) has never been observed.

examples of speciation do not count because the definition of species means.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/species

Quote:species
2. Biology. the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.

meaning "speciation" is just a genetic variation of the same species, that are isolated from breeding with each other.
Developing a new breed of Dog for example is "speciation" by definition.

Yet when it come to humans, many nationalities are genetically different, yet were not considered to have "speciated", why is this? aren't we (according to science) part of the evolutionary process just like the animals?

Humans have been on this planet (again, according to science) 200,000 years, but apparently that's not long enough to develop even a sub species....

Spin and dodge, which I have come to expect from you. Ignore the points and make shit up (aeronautics isn't a theory) to "prove" your point. Hell, most of your argument is about speciation, not about refuting the point I made that you're badly abusing the word theory in your childish insistence that it is noting more than speculation, a wild assed guess.

What about gravity and germs? Are those not facts? Do we not use theories to explain them?

C'mon Huggies, I'd expect a guy with a channel to absolute truth to be able to answer these simple questions.

(March 17, 2015 at 2:44 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(March 16, 2015 at 4:53 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: The buy-bull also puts bats with the birds.

I'm not sure i follow you on this one.

I'm sure you don't. Have you even read it that fucking book?

The Buy-Bull Wrote:Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Source

Yet you fail to answer.
Are you also saying the aerodynamics and aeronautics are the same.? yes or no?

(March 17, 2015 at 3:42 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Yet you fail to answer.
Are you also saying the aerodynamics and aeronautics are the same.? yes or no?

Once again you phrase a trap question. You are not asking a question that can honestly be answered with a yes or no, but are demanding one or the other.

I can do that too:
Quit beating your wife yet?

Don't try to back out of the argument with "It's not relevant!!!1!!111!!"
It's relevance is irrelevant, but the fact that it cannot be answered with a yes or a no is very relevant.

(March 17, 2015 at 3:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Hold up, are you stating that aeronautics and aerodynamics are the same thing?

I'm stating, as I stated in the very post that you quoted, that aeronautics is a field of study that comprises multiple theories, one of them being aerodynamics. It's an umbrella term fostered by our understanding of numerous theories, and so you're wrong when you say that aeronautics isn't explained by theory. You're actually as wrong as you could possibly be, given the bounds of that statement.

Oh, but that's not the simple yes/no strawman answer you wanted, is it? Sorry to deprive you of another dishonest "aha!" moment.

Quote:Explain what you mean by "cannot breed"? are you saying that they are so genetically different that they are incompatible, or that they are simply isolated from each other? Also provide your source.

The Cope's Gray Treefrog exists in the same habitat as the regular kind, and has little in the way of physiological differences to it. That said, genetic study shows that it is a completely different species, featuring a genetic setup not found in the regular Gray Treefrog, that does not interbreed in any way. They did, however, diverge from the Gray Treefrog line in a relatively short period of time, due to a genetic phenomenon called autopolyploidy. Therefore, it is one species, spawning from another, as per the definition of species that you provided; mind you, that's not at all what evolution actually describes- a point you actually excised from my post when you quoted it, presumably to avoid taking responsibility for your own lack of care in the discussion- but the Gray Treefrog is something of a unique case that shows that, even fighting on your own factually inaccurate grounds, you're as wrong as ever.

Quote:About as negligible as your tree frog example.

I like this: your questions above show that you don't actually know anything about the Gray Treefrog, and that you were requesting relevant information on it. Here, you assume, despite not knowing a damn thing about them, that they're a negligible example. If anything shows the dishonest presupposition you have to disagree with anything said against you, I can't think of a better example than what you just did.

That said, the Gray Treefrogs have diploid chromosomes, whereas the Cope's species has tetraploid chromosomes; one has two paired chromosomes within their cells, the other has four. It's actually quite a large change, certainly more so than between any two human nationalities. You're factually wrong even as you're rhetorically wrong, it's hilarious.

(March 17, 2015 at 3:40 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: I'm sure you don't. Have you even read it that fucking book?

The Buy-Bull Wrote:Leviticus 11:13-19New International Version (NIV)

13 “‘These are the birds you are to regard as unclean and not eat because they are unclean: the eagle,[a] the vulture, the black vulture, 14 the red kite, any kind of black kite, 15 any kind of raven, 16 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 17 the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, 18 the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

Source

I guess you forget to realize Leviticus was written in HEBREW, which the word translated from Hebrew simply means flying creatures, the short translation is fowl, in the KJV
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5775.htm

Quote:oph: flying creatures
Original Word: עוֹף
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: oph
Phonetic Spelling: (ofe)
Short Definition: birds

The passage as it is translated word-for-word from hebrew
http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInter.../lev11.pdf

Quote:and·»these you-shall-abominate from-the·flyer not they-shall-be-eaten abomination they the·vulture and·» the·lammergeier and·» the·eagle

(March 17, 2015 at 3:37 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: So they aren't the same thing then? simple yes or no question.

No, an idiot's question. From someone staying wilfully ignorant even when the explanation is rubbed in his face.