(April 3, 2015 at 7:19 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 2, 2015 at 7:22 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I'm don't know much about these religions, but: Hinduism, Buddhism. Gnosticism, Cynicism, Taoism, Animism.
I have only read snippets of the Bhagavad Gita, but it seems inspiring. I have also heard that the Upanishads are wise.

Do they emphasize on the wisdom shown in the OP?

Again, what "wisdom"?

You need a comic book to cherry pick pretty words to tell you not to murder people? You need a comic book to tell you not to rape? You need a comic book to tell you to take care of those less fortunate? You think other religions don't have pretty stories similar to what you find in your book?

Pretty and elaborate you could argue, but our species behavior is the same range off cruelty and compassion. But Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists also point to their "wisdom" too. So? You are just as stuck on pretty as they are.

There is no kind act or kind words you cherry pick out of your book that a non Muslim or atheist would be incapable of doing. You fail like all other people of other religions do, to see that our behavior is not in old books, but in us, in our species.

The wisdom of Quran lies in the favor God bestows upon humanity through his chosen ones.  He made love of them the love of his obedience and inclination to Worshiping him sincerely and acknowledging his light, remembering the path towards him, and the praiseworthy station of his beautiful names. He emphasized on their path of struggle in God's way, commanding towards good and forbidding the evil, and that they are those given the knowledge standing up for justice. He linked recognizing their path with recognizing his path, obedience to them to his obedience, and love of them to love of his face and beautiful names. He made them doors to his knowledge and unseen wisdom and truth.


Say: No wage do I ask for it except the love of (my) near relatives.
Verily God chose Adam and Nuh and the family of Ibrahim and the family of Imran above the worlds.
Say: No wage do I ask for it except that who wants to, to take a path to his Lord.
Say: Whatever wage I asked of you it is for yourselves, verily my wage is with God.
These are they whom God guided therefore (Mohammad) follow their guidance. Say: No wage do I ask for it that it is only a reminder/remembrance to the nations/worlds. 
Or do you ask them a wage, then verily the wage of your Lord is better and he is the best of those who provide sustenance. And verily you call them to a straight path.
And you do not ask them a wage for it except that it be a remembrance/reminder to the worlds.
God only desires to keep the uncleanness away from you O people of the household and purifies you a thorough purification.
How does he have authority over us when we have more right to authority and has not been given abundance in wealth, verily God has chosen him above you, and made him superior in knowledge and physique, and God gives his authority to whom he pleases, and God is encompassing with his grace, knowledgeable. 
Then we inherited the book to those whom we chosen of our servants
Obey God and obey the Messenger and those who possess the authority from you
Therefore ask the family of the reminder if you do not know
Peace be upon the family of Yaseen
Say: If you love God, then follow me, God will love you and forgive your sins.
Or do the envy the people for what God has given them out of his grace? Then verily we gave the family of Ibrahim the book and the wisdom, and we gave them a great authority.
 And on the day we will call from every a people a witness from themselves
And on the day we will call every human with it's Imam
And we made them Imams who guide by our command
So guard (with regards to your duty to) God and obey me. Verily God is my god and your god so worship him, this is a straight path.
So follow me, verily this is a straight path.
Verily we believed in the Lord of the world. The Lord of Musa and Harun.
You two and those who follow you both will be the victorious
Peace be upon the servants that God has chosen
And from who we have a created are a people who guide by the truth and by it do justice

Preaching, and assuming the Quran is literally true. What is the point of that?

I don't wish to be rude, but why do you think we will suddenly just start believing things straight from the Quran?

You may as well read to me from a Stephen King novel.

Apologies if you are just explaining your own belief rather than trying to convince anyone else. I'm not too sure what your aim is.

A Deist Parable:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-32526.html

(April 3, 2015 at 10:33 am)robvalue Wrote: Preaching, and assuming the Quran is literally true. What is the point of that?

I don't wish to be rude, but why do you think we will suddenly just start believing things straight from the Quran?

You may as well read to me from a Stephen King novel.

Apologies if you are just explaining your own belief rather than trying to convince anyone else. I'm not too sure what your aim is.

I'm saying the emphasis on the following the chosen ones, and appointing a set of chosen ones to follow a long with the oneness of God, and showing their exalted station and praiseworthy path, is not found anywhere else but in Quran or religions that are offshoots of the Quran. I posted these verses to show how much it's been emphasized, unlike other holy books that are not offshoots of Islam.

When I was talking about wisdom, I'm talking about specifically that wisdom. There is many wisdoms in Quran, but this is the wisdom that stands out for me.

Why should we care what the Koran says about any subject? Just because some 'wisdom' stands out to you doesn't give it any importance to us, nor does it imply it's veracity.

OK. You think it says some wise things. So what?

(April 3, 2015 at 10:38 am)DeistPaladin Wrote: A Deist Parable:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-32526.html

This is a good point. Deists often see God looking at humans as not important and doesn't care much for them. The Quran put's a different perspective. That all creation worships God, and that God is their ultimate purpose and their return and their path of ascension. Furthermore that God is close and responsive to his servants, and wishes them to draw near to him and worship him, because God wishes to bestow us upon us honor and honor us through relationship with him.   He created specifically that he may spread his mercy, and bestow favor upon us, and his special person lies in remembrance of him and seeing of his divine glory and beauty.

The exalted name of God in humanity calls to have a relationship with God and shows the praise of God of him having a relationship with us. 

The problem is that Deism is ignorant of God's holy names and the station of divine names. Often Deists will say they believe in a higher power and won't even call him God as that acknowledges he is worthy of worship.

The love of God, his exalted wisdom, his holy friends, is missing in Deism. We become like bacteria, insignificant, and have to make our own purposes. We are left without a Guide, a clear path, and incline to the culture of our times for our values and path, rather then clear guidance of his light.

In Islam, God is called "The appreciative/thankful". He appreciates the good we do, and multiplies with blessings, and increases us in goodness the more good we do.

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(April 3, 2015 at 10:44 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why should we care what the Koran says about any subject?  Just because some 'wisdom' stands out to you doesn't give it any importance to us, nor does it imply it's veracity.

But if manifests exalted wisdom that is uniquely emphasized here, and you acknowledge God as Exalted Wise it's a proof.  It's only if you don't acknowledge God and his holy names, that's it not a proof.

(April 3, 2015 at 10:54 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(April 3, 2015 at 10:44 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Why should we care what the Koran says about any subject?  Just because some 'wisdom' stands out to you doesn't give it any importance to us, nor does it imply it's veracity.

But if manifests exalted wisdom that is uniquely emphasized here, and you acknowledge God as Exalted Wise it's a proof.  It's only if you don't acknowledge God and his holy names, that's it not a proof.

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Well unfortunately for your argument, I don't believe in God. Your argument can't be called a "General Argument for Islam" if you have to already acknowledge Allah in order for the argument to hold.

(April 3, 2015 at 10:58 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote:

(April 3, 2015 at 10:54 am)MysticKnight Wrote: But if manifests exalted wisdom that is uniquely emphasized here, and you acknowledge God as Exalted Wise it's a proof.  It's only if you don't acknowledge God and his holy names, that's it not a proof.

(b mine)

Well unfortunately for your argument, I don't believe in God.  Your argument can't be called a "General Argument for Islam" if you have to already acknowledge Allah in order for the argument to hold.

God is manifest through his light, praise, and wisdom in us humans. Praise is both a proof for God and the favor he bestows in a form of a religion. 

I already posted about how praise is a proof for God and his greatness.