dude. hallucinations aren't loopholes to other dimensions, just images in our brains, nothing more. and the laws of physics are not in any way dependent on our perception of them. they existed before we even came into being.

The reason this thought came to my mind was because, I've lived all my life in the normal level of consciousness and one day I stimulated my brain to produce high levels of DMT. What I found so interesting was how the brain was capable of seeing, understanding and learning and in a completely new way. My whole life I've lived in a single state of mind, how many other states of minds are there. Surely, there is a reason for the brain being able to alter so drastically. What is the point of having such a function if there is no use for it in the past or the future?

How did you do that exactly?

and regarding functions with no use....think darwins point, appendix and tailbone.

You got high and you're asking what the point of being able to get high is?

What did you learn exactly? If you're tripping, you're not learning about reality, are you?

(June 3, 2015 at 11:18 am)rary Wrote: Surely, there is a reason for the brain being able to alter so drastically. What is the point of having such a function if there is no use for it in the past or the future?

Except the past and future are never now while altered states always are now-centric.

(June 3, 2015 at 11:18 am)rary Wrote: The reason this thought came to my mind was because, I've lived all my life in the normal level of consciousness and one day I stimulated my brain to produce high levels of DMT. What I found so interesting was how the brain was capable of seeing, understanding and learning and in a completely new way. My whole life I've lived in a single state of mind, how many other states of minds are there. Surely, there is a reason for the brain being able to alter so drastically. What is the point of having such a function if there is no use for it in the past or the future?

I think maybe you're just experiencing the enlightenment of understanding of how your consciousness works through hallucinogens.  Your perceptions changed, but the world around you did not.  The brain is reliant upon a chemical balance, which, when thrown out of whack, causes us to interpret the input from our senses differently.

There is no point to it.  It's just a by-product of being a biological organism whose perceptions depend upon neuro-chemicals.

(June 3, 2015 at 11:18 am)rary Wrote: The reason this thought came to my mind was because, I've lived all my life in the normal level of consciousness and one day I stimulated my brain to produce high levels of DMT. What I found so interesting was how the brain was capable of seeing, understanding and learning and in a completely new way. My whole life I've lived in a single state of mind, how many other states of minds are there. Surely, there is a reason for the brain being able to alter so drastically. What is the point of having such a function if there is no use for it in the past or the future?

If consciousness is an emergent property of wet chemistry, it's anthropocentric to claim 'reasons' for anything.  
I'll use an operating definition for the moment of 'good' being 'that which better allows an individual to survive and reproduce in their current environment.'  Though DMT (dimethyltriptamine) is naturally produced and utilized in the brain, there is no reason to believe that there is any transcendent purpose for it.  It evolved with the rest of our neurochemistry over millenia of natural selection.  It exists at an equilibrium level conforming to this evolutionary history.  It was good because it got us here.  Like a balanced diet, adding (or subtracting) from it only unbalances the equilibrium.  Over time, with enough trials of additional added chemicals, you could determine if elevated DMT would give an advantage or not.  My suspicion is that most of the high DMT experimental group would wander out into traffic in a short time and remove themselves from the reproducing population.

Regarding the different physics aspect, you should be able to quantify your new state by experiment and compare results to the more prosaic non-DMT reality.  These are the idealist (the world exists because we perceive it) and the realist (the world exists and we perceive it) alternatives.  You appear to be advocating for the former.  If, in fact, you are correct in your assertion that you can read minds, levitate or comprehend in 'a completely new way,' the JREF has a million dollars waiting for you to collect. My experience is that when users come down after recording their insights, they are typically embarrassed by how unimpressive those insights are in the light of undrugged day.

I've heard before about "learning through drugs" but I've never had a straight answer about what exactly is learnt.

I can understand performance enhancing drugs and such, but if you're just off tripping... besides coincidental weird sort of subconcious jiggery, what can you learn that is valid in the real world?

(June 3, 2015 at 11:18 am)rary Wrote: The reason this thought came to my mind was because, I've lived all my life in the normal level of consciousness and one day I stimulated my brain to produce high levels of DMT. What I found so interesting was how the brain was capable of seeing, understanding and learning and in a completely new way. My whole life I've lived in a single state of mind, how many other states of minds are there. Surely, there is a reason for the brain being able to alter so drastically. What is the point of having such a function if there is no use for it in the past or the future?

And that may have been how people first came up with the concept of afterlife, the world of the dead, etc...
Why do spiders under the influence of equivalent chemicals make strange webs? Because we are chemicals... Arranged in such a complex form that a few minor changes don't cause the whole thing to crumble.