Where is heaven located? Also, why does God care about homo sapiens?

[Divinity]

I'll type slow so you can understand.

I think of the Earth as being in beta. Sort of like a test run for the real thing. I think of God as being more like a scientist than a magic man in the sky with the ability to snap his or her fingers and create life. He or she didn't say "Let there be light!" and then there was light. I can't explain how it would work. Maybe there was a "Universe in a pack" kit. "Just add life" With a bit of tinkering, you get different life forms.

Now, if there's an afterlife (I happen to think there is. Might just be fucking wishful thinking on my part, but I'm fine with wishful thinking) then I'd presume that the afterlife is Earth 2.0. All of the data organisms collect for god to analyze, and then create a perfect world.

Any animals I gave as an example weren't so much a list that I would think get into heaven, so much as a list of random animals I gave as an example. Personally I believe this creator is likely somewhat benevolent, and has the ability to reason much like humans do. But that's just my guess. I mean to some "higher numbers = better", but that's certainly not always the case. Armies with more people in it don't always win, for example. Humans seem to have this sense of curiosity that such a creator would also likely have (why else create a fucking universe?)

I didn't sit out and reason out each animal. "Yeah, we'll add cats. We'll add dogs. But not Cows. Beef is good, but let's be honest. They were in on those fucking Chic Filet Commercials, and that's just inexcusable." Instead I listed animals that came to mind that are reasonably well liked vs animals that are reasonably disliked and cause problems. Just as an example of how god might reason things out. I'm not god obviously (or if I am, I don't know it). I can't predict how a god I don't know exists or not would react because I don't have a 2000 year old book explaining it to me. I wouldn't even try. I was only giving an example of how the fuck it might work. There's nothing set in stone.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

There is supposed to be many paradises of varying kinds past the sky so maybe there are countless heavens of various kinds as well? Maybe hell is just the worse heaven of all. If so then everyone will go to his own special heaven.

[The Grand Nudger]

I'll type slow so you can understand.

You know, no matter how slow you type, the post just gets thrown up all at once....so....

I think of the Earth as being in beta.  Sort of like a test run for the real thing.  I think of God as being more like a scientist than a magic man in the sky with the ability to snap his or her fingers and create life.  He or she didn't say "Let there be light!" and then there was light.  I can't explain how it would work.  Maybe there was a "Universe in a pack" kit.  "Just add life"  With a bit of tinkering, you get different life forms.

I'm not asking you to explain how any of it -actually- works..frankly, I know that you can't.   I already understood that you consider this life a test, my posts have been referencing that belief explicitly and frequently, not that I mind you restating...it's just not something that there's any misunderstanding between us on.  

Now, if there's an afterlife (I happen to think there is.  Might just be fucking wishful thinking on my part, but I'm fine with wishful thinking) then I'd presume that the afterlife is Earth 2.0.  All of the data organisms collect for god to analyze, and then create a perfect world.  

Yeah, I got that, again nothing we have a misunderstanding over.  

Any animals I gave as an example weren't so much a list that I would think get into heaven, so much as a list of random animals I gave as an example.  Personally I believe this creator is likely somewhat benevolent, and has the ability to reason much like humans do.  But that's just my guess.  I mean to some "higher numbers = better", but that's certainly not always the case.  Armies with more people in it don't always win, for example.  Humans seem to have this sense of curiosity that such a creator would also likely have (why else create a fucking universe?)  

I'm not sure your reasoning is all that solid here regarding what a god is like, but still....I understood that you believed all of this already, you've already stated it.  I'm much more interested, personally, with -why- you believe that a god would share some human trait, and which human traits a god would share.  Why create a universe....IDK?  Why do spiders make webs?  Perhaps god is a hungry, hungry entity - this might explain why our planet is such a meat-grinder.  I'm sure that we could hammer out many answers to that question, but honestly, that's not the thing that interests me most, the thing that I've been attempting to discuss.

I didn't sit out and reason out each animal.  "Yeah, we'll add cats.  We'll add dogs.  But not Cows.  Beef is good, but let's be honest.  They were in on those fucking Chic Filet Commercials, and that's just inexcusable."  Instead I listed animals that came to mind that are reasonably well liked vs animals that are reasonably disliked and cause problems.  Just as an example of how god might reason things out.  I'm not god obviously (or if I am, I don't know it).  I can't predict how a god I don't know exists or not would react because I don't have a 2000 year old book explaining it to me.  I wouldn't even try.  I was only giving an example of how the fuck it might work.  There's nothing set in stone.

Again, no misunderstanding there, it's very clear that you didn't reason out the animals, and yet there's a list (despite your waffling)- a guess at a list, a guess that there might even be something like a list.  Pass/fail conditions, as for a test - which you believe in, as you've repeatedly said.

It's the notion that there's a list, what those pass/fail conditions might be, precisely -what- you feel comfortable guessing at and what the fabric of those guesses turns out to be that I was hoping to have a discussion about. Is, for example, "reasonably well liked" a metric upon which Earth 2.0 is based, in part?  Is "causing problems" another?  These both, and your representatives for both..seem decidedly human, and not very divine.  Even limited just to human beings, lions cause plenty of problems (that's why we killed so many).  So it isn't even so much generally human as it is specific...to you.  This is what I'm referring to when I ask about the consistency of these metrics -even as guesses....or even whether or not some metric -could be- consistent across all of life, all of earth, all of time.....and whether we're actually discussing how a god might do all of this...or how you would, and whether or not what you would do means anything in context, whether it's informative.

I'd offer to retype all of that slowly, so that you might understand......but it won't make a difference.....will it? Would you like to have that discussion...or would you like to continue to tell us about how you can't explain what no ones asked you to explain? How you don't know whether or not your guesses are accurate. We already understand that, trust me. You may not be able to explain, you may not know...but you believe these things, however, and I presume you have -some- reason or explanation for -that-? These beliefs come from somewhere, from something - and that's what I've been asking you about. You;re under no obligation here to demonstrate or prove that anything you believe is true. I'm just wondering about the process which led you to holding these beliefs, to ordering the list (that does/doesn't exist) as you did.

Lets start with something singular, something easy to manage. You believe that a god might value things in a similar manner that you/we do, you believe that value or relative value is something a god is even aware of, regardless of where it puts what on it's value list, judging from your comments. -Why- do you believe this?

[Divinity]

You've never heard the phrase "I'll type slow so you understand"?

My beliefs are basically nothing but my guesses from my own reasoning. A fuck ton of cultures have believed in gods of some sort. Now, I don't think any of them got it right. But the idea there was someone who created the universe doesn't seem far-fetched to me. (I know it does to Atheists)

Evolution is the best current explanation for how organisms on earth came to exist. Which is why I dismiss most religions (that and most of them have something against vaginas). Everything came from a single cell (or at least that's the current scientific explanation) That cell might even have been god. No clue. But anyway, if someone (or something) created the universe, then I would imagine it would have some of the same qualities of humans. It might have the same qualities of several different species, all of them, or even none of them. But I imagine it has some human qualities because humans have this desire to create. To discover, and to explore. And with a universe as vast as this one, I'd imagine that a creator would share some of those same qualities. Not because we're special, but because I think creations tend to take on some characteristics of their creator. Now not always, obviously. But much of the time (which is why I'd be inclined to believe many organisms probably share some quality of a creator if there is one) It's hard to say since if we do have a creator, he or she or it has kept its distance from us.

[TubbyTubby]

A fuck ton of cultures have believed in gods of some sort.

Do you use the word "fuck" in everyday conversation?

It's hard to say since if we do have a creator, he or she or it has kept its distance from us.

Weird eh? Why would an omnipotent being leave no evidence? More importantly, how could they leave no evidence?

[Nay_Sayer]

I agree with Catholic Lady and Drich and I know other Christians who believe the same, heaven is another dimension that exist within this dimension, it explains IMO how God and the angels can move into this dimension, it explains how Christ was able to disappear after His resurrection on a couple of occasions that were recorded in the Bible.

GC

everyone knows he used CGI even though practical effects look way better.  *grumble*

[Divinity]

Yes, I use the word fuck in every day conversations. I use the word fuck a fucking lot.

What makes you think a creator has to be omnipotent?

[ignoramus]

You two! Get a fucking room.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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A fuck ton of cultures have believed in gods of some sort.

Do you use the word "fuck" in everyday conversation?

It's hard to say since if we do have a creator, he or she or it has kept its distance from us.

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Weird eh? Why would an omnipotent being leave no evidence? More importantly, how could they leave no evidence?

We actually know how things came to be.  Once the elementary particles form hydrogen in deep space the hydrogen clumps together into giant balls and goes nuclear.  The hydrogen nuclear process creates new elements.  Once planets are formed if they have the right internal furnace processes they create even more elements.  There is no celestial deity involved.

[TubbyTubby]

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Do you use the word "fuck" in everyday conversation?

We actually know how things came to be.  Once the elementary particles form hydrogen in deep space the hydrogen clumps together into giant balls and goes nuclear.  The hydrogen nuclear process creates new elements.  Once planets are formed if they have the right internal furnace processes they create even more elements.  There is no celestial deity involved.

I know.